[1) Call to Order - Roll Call]
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          HERE. COUNCILMAN ALTMAN HERE. CITY MANAGER MANNS HERE. COUNCILMAN MURPHY WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE, AND COUNCILMAN BUTLER IS NOT PRESENT DURING ROLL CALL. YOUR WAY. I'D BE 
          [2.a) Discussion Regarding Time-Regulated Parking]
GLAD TO, MR. MAYOR. THE PURPOSE OF THIS WORK SESSION IS TO DISCUSS RULES THAT SET A MAXIMUM DURATION FOR HOW LONG A VEHICLE CAN REMAIN IN A SPECIFIC PARKING SPACE. AND THOSE ARE OFTEN ENFORCED THROUGH TIME REGULATED ZONES. AND THE WORK SESSION IS BEING CONDUCTED AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN ALTMAN. THE RULES THAT REGULATE TIME LIMITED ZONES ARE DESIGNATED IN LARGE PART TO ENSURE THAT TURNOVER OCCURS IN PARKING SPACES. TO REDUCE CONGESTION AND TO MANAGE THE DEMAND FOR PARKING. THERE ARE A GOOD NUMBER OF WAYS THAT PARKING ENFORCE OPERATIONS CAN BE IN. CAN BE EFFECTUATED, AND WE'VE GONE A LONG WAY SINCE THE DAYS OF CHALKING AND BOOTING AND TOWING VEHICLES. AND THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY THAT IS AVAILABLE THESE DAYS. AND SO IT DOES REQUIRE LESS LESS STAFF TIME THAN IT WOULD HAVE IN THE PAST. BUT THERE'S STILL ALWAYS HANDLING APPEALS AND PAYMENTS AND, AND THOSE DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE TENDED TO. IF YOU EVER DETERMINE THAT A PROGRAM WAS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO IMPLEMENT. AND WITH THAT, I'LL LET YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION AND SIT BACK AND TAKE NOTES. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO INPUT YOU. YOU BROUGHT IT UP. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? OKAY, SO A COUPLE THINGS. I THINK WE'VE ALL HEARD THAT IT'S AND I'VE HEARD IT FROM LOCALS, PARTICULARLY THAT THEY HAVE A HARD TIME. THEY'LL DRIVE INTO TOWN TO KIND OF GO TO DINNER OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'LL GIVE UP AND THEY'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WHEN WE HAVE OUR BUSY TIME, SO IT'S THE SAME WAY WE HAVE A SPEEDING DURING SCHOOL ZONES PROCESS. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE A NIGHTTIME EVENING THEATERS ON SOMETHING IN THE PARK, SOME KIND OF AN EVENT GOING ON, OR EVEN JUST A BUSY NIGHT. AND WITH RAILROAD SQUARE PARTICULARLY TRYING TO BRING PEDESTRIANS INTO TOWN, I THINK IT'S A BROADER CONVERSATION. CHOPRA I'M ONE I'M SURE THAT YOU'LL WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN BECAUSE SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT I'VE BROUGHT TO DEBBIE OVER TIME ARE WHOSE PARKING AND WHY. SO WE HEARD ABOUT THE UBER EATS, PEOPLE WANTING TO POP INTO A RESTAURANT, PICK UP FOOD. THAT'S A BIG PART OF REVENUE. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HEARD ABOUT RAILROAD SQUARE AND SOME OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO. THE. I GUESS, PERIMETER. 
          CIRCUMSTANCES THERE. SO WE DO HAVE PARKING SPOTS AROUND AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKING GARAGE. I'VE ALSO BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF A, EITHER THE, THE FREEBIE WHERE PLACES LIKE BRADENTON, PALMETTO USE THEIR CRA DOLLARS TO HIRE A SERVICE THAT GIVES FREE ACCESS TO THE DOWNTOWN AND PICK UP AND DELIVERY SERVICES, WHICH IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO COMPARE THE COST OF LOST BUSINESS TO OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES FOR PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME. BUT DON'T THE ACCOMMODATION OF OUR GOLF CARTS, BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS CAN GET UP IN ARMS. AS I THINK, OVER THE PAST WEEKEND, THE COUNCILMAN WHO'S NOT HERE HAS TALKED ABOUT HAVING DESIGNATED PARKING SPOTS FOR GOLF CARTS. I KNOW WE HAVE MARKED ON I THINK IT'S MISSOURI AVENUE. WE HAVE MARKED THE PARKING SPACES FOR COMPACT VEHICLES ONLY. BUT THEN YOU DO SEE THE BIG TRUCKS AND THE BIG, YOU KNOW, EXTENSIONS OUT INTO THE ROAD ON THAT. SO IT'S A MATTER OF ORGANIZING THINGS. 
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FIRST OF ALL, IF WE COULD GET ALL THE EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THE PARKING GARAGE AND GIVE THEM RIDES IN AND OUT TO WORK, WE COULD TRY TO FIND A WAY TO JUST BE SMART ABOUT IT. I KNOW YOU'VE YOU'VE SHOWN SOME RESISTANCE TO HAVING THE ONLY SPOTS THAT I'VE TRIED TO PROMOTE HAVE BEEN THAT MAIN STREET AREA FROM REALLY ALMOST FROM BANK STREET, THROUGH THAT WHOLE DENSITY OF THOSE COUPLE OF BLOCKS TO ADAMS, THOSE BLOCKS, AND THEN ALSO FROM WHETHER IT'S MONTANA TO THE TO THE LAKE, THERE IS JUST FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. AND BUT WE'RE DOING DESIGN WORK ON THAT AS WELL, WHICH COULD ELIMINATE MAYBE EVEN A FEW MORE. SO TO ME, DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES, YOU BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT THE FIRE HYDRANTS AND THE SAFETY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE MANAGE THAT. I'M SAYING THE REVENUE THAT GOES TO OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY DEPENDS ON PEOPLE FEELING LIKE THEY CAN PARK. AND SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE RESOLVE IT? SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. I HAD SUGGESTED WE HAVE A TWO OR A THREE HOUR PARKING LIMIT JUST TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM PARKING THAT WORK THERE ALL DAY. AND THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THAT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN OUTLAW THAT, BUT BY SAYING ONLY SO MANY HOURS AND THERE'S SO MANY RULES WE HAVE LIKE NO BICYCLES IN THE PARK THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING A SLOW TIME. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE GOT TO TURN THIS THING OFF. 
          WE PROBABLY HAVE. PEOPLE DOING IT AND IT DOESN'T BOTHER ANYBODY. FAMILY CHRISTMAS PRESENT, BICYCLE, GO TO THE PARK AND LEARN HOW TO RIDE. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT. AND I KNOW THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE ON THE ONE HAND THAT I'VE MENTIONED. BUT THE OTHER HAND, IT'S LIKE WE DO HAVE POTENTIAL TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE OUR CRA MONEY, OR HOW ARE WE GOING TO USE OUR CITY MONEY TO BEST ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME DOWN AND SHOP AND DO BUSINESS. SO, AND THAT'S THE OPENING COMMENT, REALLY. I'LL JUMP IN TWO THINGS. THE FIRST ONE I KNOW WHEN WE PRIOR HAD THIS CONVERSATION, THE TOPIC OF UBER EATS CAME UP. THE TOPIC OF THOSE DELIVERY DRIVERS WHO ARE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT CAME UP. AND I THINK A VALID QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU KEEP THE DIAMOND BEDAZZLED SLUDGE MOVING? HOW DO YOU KEEP FROM PREVENTING A DOORDASH DRIVER OR UBER EATS DRIVER FROM DOING LAPS AROUND, WAITING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PARKING DOWN AT THE PARKING GARAGE AND WALKING ALL THE WAY OVER. AND, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR CITY HAS THOSE PARALLEL PARKING SPOTS IN FRONT OF SOME OF THE BUSINESS. SO I THINK THE QUESTION BACK TO STAFF IS PERHAPS EITHER THROUGH MAIN STREET ORGANIZATIONS, SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD NETWORK OF DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES OR THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER'S OWN NETWORK REACHING OUT TO BUSINESSES AND, AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH GETTING DELIVERING DRIVERS IN AND OUT? IS THERE A PARKING ISSUE IN THAT RESPECT? AND THEN THE SECOND POINT, WHICH I THINK IS THE LARGER POINT, IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK LIKE I SEE A COUPLE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS. AND TO ME, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SPACE THAT COULD BE TURNING OVER AND MAKING A LOT OF REVENUE AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOVERNMENT'S PLACE TO FORCE SOMEONE NOT TO PARK THERE FOR 2 TO 3 HOURS. BUT IT RAISES AN INTERESTING POINT OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRIME SPOT. I'LL JUST GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. I REMEMBER BEING OUT WITH SOMEONE ON THIS TOPIC WHEN IT FIRST CAME UP, AND WE WALKED THE DOWNTOWN AND WE SAT OUTSIDE ONE OF THE ICE CREAM SHOPS WHO ONE OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS CHOOSES TO PARK RIGHT IN THAT SPOT. AND WE JUST TIMED IT. AND OVER THE COURSE OF AN HOUR, THE SPOT NEXT TO THEM, 3 OR 4 PEOPLE PARKED THERE, YOU KNOW, BUYING $10 MILKSHAKES, $8. CUPS OF ICE CREAM. AND THAT'S ON LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A WEDNESDAY NIGHT. SO IMAGINE ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT. IF SOMEONE'S HAVING TO DO CIRCLES AROUND DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO END UP EVENTUALLY LEAVING OR THEY'LL, THEY'LL STAY FOR THAT ONE EXPERIENCE, BUT THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO WANT TO COME BACK. AND THEY'RE GOING TO REMEMBER DOWNTOWN FOR A PLACE THAT'S HARD TO PARK. SO I THINK THE A, A, A, A SPECIAL ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE GIVEN FOR THE PARALLEL PARKING SPOTS AND WHETHER THOSE SHOULD BE TIME REGULATED. AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE REALLY DEPENDS ON THE BUSINESS MIX. SO THAT'S WHY I PUNT IT BACK TO STAFF. ON IF YOU COULD DO SOME OUTREACH WITH THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY 15 MINUTE PARKING FOR THE THEATER DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THOSE TWO PARALLEL PARKING 
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SPOTS, YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING THERE FOR 15 MINUTES, BUT 15 MINUTE PARKING OUTSIDE OF A OF THE, THE SOCIAL, THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE SO THAT THEY CAN GET AN UBER DRIVER IN AN UBER DRIVER OUT OR 2 TO 3 HOUR PARKING IN A SPOT THAT IN AN AREA THAT WE KNOW A LOT OF THE EMPLOYEES PARK IN THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE SENSE. I'M JUST CURIOUS, MR. MAYOR, YOU SAID YOU HAVE NO INPUT. DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE GOOD WITH NO PARKING OR NO PARKING? I DON'T I DON'T HAVE I DON'T HAVE A LIKE YOU'RE UNDECIDED GAME. I JUST WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU TALK BEFORE I MADE IT. OKAY? OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT. SO WHERE I STAND IS I'M OPEN. LIKE IF SOMEONE IF SOMETHING CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AND IT WAS LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO REGULATE THESE 3 OR 4 PILOT SPOTS FOR 2 TO 3 HOUR PARKING OR 15 MINUTE PARKING OR DELIVERY ONLY. I MEAN, THERE'S SOME COMMUNITIES THAT LITERALLY DO DELIVERY ONLY LIKE YOU. YOU SWOOP IN, THIS IS A DELIVERY ONLY SPOT YOU'RE PICKING UP AND LEAVING. IN MY MIND, I COULD GET BEHIND THAT. WHERE, WHERE YOU LOSE ME A LITTLE BIT IS ON THE HEY, WE KNOW SOME EMPLOYEES PARK HERE, SO WE'RE GOING TO DO 2 TO 3 HOUR PARKING. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I COULD GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE HOW, HOW DO YOU REGULATE AN EMPLOYEE PARKING THERE VERSUS SOMEONE WHO'S, I THINK WE CAN, RIGHT? YEAH. JUST, JUST TO ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT THAT LEADS TO THE PROBLEM. I THINK IF IT'S THERE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW BIG IT IS. I HAD A COMMENT. YES, I DO. SO, SO I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, SO I'LL KIND OF GO BACK TO A FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES WORKSHOP THAT I JUST WENT TO. AND BASICALLY THEY HAD A SIMILAR ISSUE WHERE THEIR BEACH COMMUNITY, THEIR LIMITED PARKING, AND THEY'RE LIKE, HOW CAN WE GET THESE EMPLOYEES TO NOT PARK AND USE UP ALL THESE SPACES FOR POTENTIAL PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SPEND MONEY. SO THEY BASICALLY BASICALLY CREATED ALMOST LIKE A, LIKE A TAXI SERVICE WHERE THEY WOULD GET THEM TO PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BEACH, AND THEN THEY WOULD SHUTTLE THESE PEOPLE IN. 
          SO IT KIND OF GOES TO A BROADER IDEA THAT I'VE BEEN KIND OF MULLING AROUND. I LOVE OUR DART SYSTEM. I JUST THINK OUR DART SYSTEM NEEDS TO EVOLVE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF SMALL. YOU KNOW, YOU GET SIX PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, IF I GO WITH MY FAMILY, MY FAMILY WON'T FIT ON THE DART. SO I THINK WITHIN THIS ISSUE, I THINK WE NEED TO EXPAND OUR DART SCENARIO WHERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER VEHICLE. NOW, I DON'T WANT SOME TROLLEY BUS. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S HARD TO MANEUVER SOMETHING ON THE SMALLER SIDE, BUT SOMETHING THAT COULD HOLD MAYBE 10 OR 12 PEOPLE. AND I THINK IF WE CREATE A BETTER AVENUE OF USING THAT, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PERSUADE MORE PEOPLE TO USE IT. SO LIKE FOR MYSELF, WHEN I COME DOWN, I NEVER DRIVE MY TRUCK DOWN HERE. I BRING MY GOLF CART BECAUSE I KNOW PARKING IS TOUGH. SO I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE OUR RESIDENTS TO OUR GOLF CART USERS, HEY, USE YOUR GOLF CART. I MEAN, AND IF YOU IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE PARKING DYNAMIC, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO PARK A GOLF CART THAN AS A CAR. BUT TO ME, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR US TO GET EMPLOYEES TO PARK OUT AT THE GARAGE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE WORKING TILL 3:00 IN THE MORNING. WHO'S GOING TO BE THERE TO KIND OF SUPERVISE, YOU KNOW? SO THEN IT'S A SECURITY ISSUE. I KNOW WE HAVE CAMERAS ALREADY CLOSED UP TOO. RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE THAT SCENARIO THAT WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE THAT. I DO THINK WE NEED TO CREATE SOMETHING TO ASSIST IN KEEPING SOME OF THESE OWNERS TO NOT PARK. BUT TO ME, IF I OWN A BUSINESS, I WOULD NEVER PARK IN FRONT OF IT BECAUSE IT'S SCARING AWAY CLIENTELE, YOU KNOW, PARK FARTHER AWAY, ALLOW THAT SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND OUT. I DO FEEL THAT ONCE WE WORK ON THE GRAND BOULEVARD PROJECT, AND WE HAD TALKED BEFORE ABOUT MAYBE DOING, YOU KNOW, LIKE 15 OR 30 MINUTE PARKING ON THOSE PARALLEL SPOTS, I THINK THAT MAYBE COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PAIN BECAUSE THOSE UBER EATS DRIVERS, THEY'LL PULL UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF RAILROAD SQUARE WITH THEIR FLASHERS ON, RUN IN, GET THEIR FOOD IF IT'S NOT READY, WAIT, AND THEN COME BACK OUT. SO I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I'M JUST A LITTLE WORRIED THAT WE'VE JUST NOW STARTED ENFORCING PARKING, WHICH IS A LOT TO MOST PEOPLE. WE'RE WE'RE CRACKING DOWN ON GOLF CART PARKING, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO SAY, HEY, NOW WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT YOUR AMOUNT OF PARKING. 
          SO I ALMOST FEEL LIKE MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT CONTROL. LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE NEED TO SEE HOW THIS SCENARIO WITH JUST PARKING ENFORCEMENT GOES. THAT'S JUST TICKETING PEOPLE PARKING IN SPACES BECAUSE THEY'RE 
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FRUSTRATED. THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO PARK THEIR PARKING ON SIDEWALKS. WELL, I MEAN, I WAS I MEAN, IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY AND I SAW SOMEBODY PARKED ON THE SIDEWALK ON MISSOURI. I'M NOT, I'M NOT. AND IT WASN'T A BUSY TIME, WHICH WAS EVEN WORSE TO US DOING IT. 
          BUT I JUST FEEL WE GOT TO JUST BE A LITTLE CAUTIOUS. AND I DEFINITELY FEEL, YOU KNOW, LIKE BERTEL SAID, WE NEED TO GET SOME OF THESE BUSINESS OWNERS INVOLVED, GET MAIN STREET INVOLVED. AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A BROADER DISCUSSION OF JUST NOT JUST US HERE. I THINK WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE PUSHBACK FROM THEM. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON MORE PARKING, BUT LIKE, I HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH MY WIFE ALL THE TIME. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE A THRIVING CITY, PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO PARKING IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. LIKE WHENEVER I GO TO SAFETY HARBOR, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM PARK EVERY TIME, BUT I ACCEPT IT BECAUSE I WANT TO GO THERE AND I'LL, I'LL WALK BLOCKS. BUT TO ME, I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD ENOUGH PRODUCT IN THIS CITY THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO LEAVE IF THEY CAN'T GET A FRONT ROW SPOT. I THINK PEOPLE, UNLESS YOU'RE AN OLDER PERSON, THEN I THINK YOU'LL MOVE. YOU'LL YOU'LL BE WILLING TO WALK. IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT TROUBLE MOVING THAT MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUE WITH THAT. AND TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME. NO, NO. GO AHEAD. YOU JUST MADE ME THINK OF THE NEW YEAR'S EVE CELEBRATION, AND IT BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWNTOWN. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE TOWARDS THE END OF IT ON THEIR PHONES GETTING UBERS. SO THEY WEREN'T THEY WEREN'T PARKING HERE. THEY WERE GETTING UBERS BACK, WHICH TO ME, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN TERMS OF YOUR PRIORITY OF THE ISSUE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF GOLF CARTS BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, I WHATEVER I SEE A GOLF CART, IT'S PARKED. SO I'VE NEVER SEEN A PROBLEM WITH THAT. MAYBE MAYBE CHIEF COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. BUT IN TERMS OF THE PARKING IS AN ISSUE IN DOWNTOWN FOR ME, IT'S IT'S DO WE HAVE DELIVERY DRIVERS JUST PARKED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WITH THEIR HAZARDS ON? I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A CORE PROBLEM. AND THEN TWO, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACES THAT ARE CAUSING CARS TO KIND OF QUASI CREATE THEIR OWN SPACE, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS A TIME REGULATED ISSUE? I THINK IT'S ENOUGH SPACES ISSUE. SO IN MY MIND, THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS JUST MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PUSH TO THE GARAGE. DEPENDING ON THE NIGHT, THEY'LL END UP THERE IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, OR THEY'LL SIT THERE AND DO THEIR LAPS, BUT THEY CAN'T DO A LAP IF THEY'RE STUCK BEHIND SOMEONE WITH THEIR HAZARDS ON TRYING TO DELIVER FOOD. SO I THINK THAT'S A CORE PROBLEM. AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK TO GOLF CARTS BECAUSE I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT OTHER THAN IN THE PARK. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. YOU JUST KIND OF BROUGHT SOMETHING UP THAT KIND OF TRIGGERED SOMETHING FOR ME. SO WHAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO WHEN THIS HAPPENS AT EVENTS ALL OVER, WHICH I KNOW TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'VE NEVER DONE, I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE CREATE SOME UBER LYFT PICKUP LOCATIONS. SO WHEN WE HAVE THESE SPECIAL EVENTS, DO THEIR LAYOUT MOST, MOST UBER PICKUPS ARE NOT LIKE RIGHT IN THE HUB. YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, WALK TO KIND OF THE OUTSKIRTS OF WHEREVER THE EVENT IS. AND THAT WOULD BE A CREATED PICKUP SPOT. SO I MAYBE THINK MAYBE GOING FORWARD, LIKE NEW YEAR'S EVE IS ONE, YOU KNOW, CHASCO FIESTA, THE CODY RIVER BIKE FESTIVAL, THOSE MAYBE MAKE SURE THOSE EVENT ORGANIZERS, WE CAN SET SOME AREAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, ONE ON THE EAST SIDE, ONE ON THE WEST SIDE, AND THEN MAYBE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT WOULD BE A DESIGNATED PICKUP AND DROP OFF POINT, BECAUSE THAT CAN CREATE A LOT OF CONGESTION AS WELL. WHEN YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF UBER CARS COMING INTO TOWN, JUST DROPPING PEOPLE OFF. YOU'D LIKE TO PUT IN, I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING HERE? I'M NOT A POLICY MAKER AND I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. I WILL SAY OUR SUCCESS, LIKE EVERY OTHER CITY, CREATES PARKING PROBLEMS. THERE'S NO DOUBT. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A TRADE OFF. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SHELL GAME. WHAT'S MORE EFFICIENT? DO WE DO THIS? DO WE NOT DO IT? IF YOU CREATE TWO HOUR PARKING OR FOUR HOUR PARKING, WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO DO, I DO LIKE TO DESIGNATE UBER SPOTS. THAT'S EASIER FOR US TO ENFORCE. BUT I BELIEVE YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRADE OFFS. IT'S A SHELL GAME. WHAT YOU DO HERE IS GOING TO CREATE PROBLEMS THERE. NOT THAT YOU DON'T LOOK AT THIS. I THINK YOU HAVE TO I WILL I WILL TELL YOU TIME PARKING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. 
          THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN ENFORCE TWO HOUR PARKING FOR OUR PARKING. YOU ACTUALLY NEED ALMOST LIKE OTHER CITIES, EITHER A KIOSK TECHNOLOGY OR TELL POLICE, CLOSE YOUR EARS. 
          LPR TECHNOLOGY OR PARKING. A PARKING ENFORCEMENT SPECIALIST. SO THESE ARE THE KIND OF LOGISTICS THAT WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO ENACT THAT TYPE OF PARKING. I REALLY WE REALLY COULD NOT EFFECTIVELY ENFORCE THAT WITHOUT TECHNOLOGY OR AN EXTRA PERSON. NATHAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE BUSINESSES SINCE YOU'RE WITH MAIN STREET, LIKE YOU MENTIONED THAT LIKE IF YOU GO TO A HOTEL, THEY USUALLY HAVE A DESK WHERE 
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YOU CAN GET PICKED UP BY. YES, THAT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY FIX IN THE MEANTIME. BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT WHERE YOU HAVE TO CLOSE THE ROAD DOWN WHERE THAT PICKUP SPOT IS, THEN THAT COULD CAUSE ANOTHER ISSUE. SO YOU COULD LOOK INTO AREAS WHERE ROADS DON'T USUALLY GET CLOSED. 
          AND WHERE DO YOU PARK? WHERE DO YOU PARK? I PARK IN THE PARKING LOT OR ON MONDAY, TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. I TALKED TO ONE OF MY STORES, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT A ZOMBIE TOWN RIGHT THEN THAT MAKES SENSE. ARE YOU GETTING ANY INPUT FROM ANY OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES? ARE YOU GETTING IS MAIN STREET GETTING ANY INPUT FROM ANY OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES? IS MAIN STREET GETTING ANY OTHER INPUT FROM ANY OTHER BUSINESSES? I DO KNOW THAT THE MAIN STREET THAT WE DID MENTION, THEY. THEY TRIED TO GET THE NUMBER AS A. GRUBHUB ORDERS A LOT. FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW THEY DID GET A LOT OF PICKUPS AS WELL, BUT I HAVEN'T NOTICED ANY ISSUES OF PEOPLE GETTING TO THEM. SO I WILL DO I WILL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MAIN STREET DELI THAT I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF ODD BECAUSE I GO THERE OFTEN FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'RE PARKING SPOTS IN THE BACK OF THEIR BUILDING HAVE ORANGE CONES, SO YOU CAN'T PARK THERE, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. SO WHENEVER I GO THERE, I CAN'T PARK DIRECTLY BEHIND THEIR BUILDING. I HAVE TO PARK IN THE PARKING LOT. I WONDER IF THEY'RE RESERVING IT FOR THEMSELVES, BUT NOBODY'S PARKED THERE. IT'S JUST KIND OF ODD TO ME. I'M SAYING IF IT'S IF IT'S IF IT'S THERE, BUT SHE'S THERE. 
          THAT'S WHY I KIND OF DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. ARE YOU GETTING. COUNCILMAN JONES HAD A GOOD POINT ABOUT IF WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE HAVE DESIGNATED AREAS WHERE UBER OR LYFT CAN PICK UP, I WOULD SAY THEY CANNOT BE WITHIN OUR PERIMETER. YEAH. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD CREATE A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR US FOR SECURITY. SO IT'D HAVE TO BE ON THE OUTER PERIMETER. 
          SORRY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN WITHIN OUR PERIMETER? SO WHERE WE SHUT DOWN FOR THE HOLIDAY PARADE OR FOR CHASKA? WE HAVE A DEFINED PERIMETER, SO WE KEEP CARS OUT. YEAH, WELL, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. SO WE COULDN'T HAVE. ALL I'M SAYING IS WE COULDN'T HAVE THOSE PICKUP SPOTS WITHIN OUR SECURITY PERIMETER. AND WE KIND OF KNOW GENERALLY WHERE THOSE SPOTS ARE AT. SO I THINK WE CAN WITH BIKE FEST, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT BIKES AND YOU CLOSE IT OFF. SO CARL, ARE YOU GETTING A LOT OF UBER DELIVERIES TO YOUR PLACE? SOME AMOUNT, BUT BUT THAT'S NOT UBER REALLY. YEAH. NO, AS FAR AS UBER, YOU KNOW PEOPLE WE GET A FEW AMOUNTS. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR BIG EVENTS TO HAVE A LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THOSE EVENTS. I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THAT'S A DEFINITE. I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING HERE. YOU BROUGHT UP STEAMWORKS. STEAMWORKS DOES SOMETHING. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER BUSINESS. I NEVER SAW IT IN THIS TOWN, NEVER SAW IT IN ANY OTHER TOWN. YES. THEY'RE WORKING WITH VENDORS THAT DON'T HAVE FOOD. BREWERY, EXCUSE ME, HAVE FOOD VENDORS. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEY DON'T HAVE FOOD VENDORS. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FOOD. SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY USING THEM, THEIR MENU AND SELLING THEIR MENU THERE. AND THEN STEAMWORKS IS SMART ENOUGH TO GIVE THE TIP BACK TO THE WAITRESS OR WAITER THAT WORKS AT THE, AT THE BREWERY OR WHEREVER IT IS. SO THAT ENTICES THEM TO HELP SELL STEAMWORKS FOOD. SO OUR UBER DRIVER REALLY IS STEAMWORKS WALKING AROUND DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, THE THERE'S A MENTALITY AND I'VE SEEN IT FOREVER. US OLD PEOPLE IN TOWN, NOT NECESSARILY AGE WISE, BUT HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE FOREVER. TEN YEARS AGO, PLUS YOU WENT DOWNTOWN AND YOU PARKED WHERE YOU WANTED TO GO. WELL, THAT'S NOT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. AND SO THEY'RE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF THE PLACE THEY WANT TO GO. AND SO THAT FORCES THEM OUT TO PARK. AND I MEAN, THERE'S PLACES, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT, A BLOCK OR TWO BLOCKS DOWN TO CITY HALL AND THEY'LL MOAN AND GROAN IF THEY HAVE TO GO THERE. BUT AND THEN THEY'LL MOAN AND GROAN. IF THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE OTHER, OTHER WAY, THEY GO DOWN TOWARDS THE GARAGE. 
          IF THEY HAD GONE TO THE GARAGE. THE PROBLEM, I THINK, WITH THE SEATING IN THE IN THE GOLF CART AND GOLF, THE DART IS ONE OF THEM IS FOR HANDICAPPED. WELL, THAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE IN IT. IT'S THE SAME SIZE, BUT BUT IT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IT CAN BE BECAUSE OF. AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A. WHEELCHAIR IN ONE OF THE GOLF CARTS YET, BUT IT'S JUST, IT JUST EATS UP 2 OR 3 SEATS WHERE IT COULD BE. SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          ARE BOTH OF THEM IT'S REQUIRED. YES. BOTH OF THEM ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT. YES. I JUST THOUGHT IT HAD TO BE AVAILABLE. ALL RIGHT. BUT ANYHOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO. I ALWAYS SAY IT TAKES ME SIX MINUTES TO WALK DOWNTOWN. WELL, IT WOULD TAKE ME MORE THAN SIX MINUTES TO PARK AT THE PARKING GARAGE AND GET GET A DART DOWN. 
          SO SOMETIMES I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLD MENTALITY THAT'S IN THIS TOWN. BUT I, I THINK THAT IT JUST DOESN'T SAY UBER EATS ONLY EATS AT 5 OR 10 MINUTES OR UBER 5 OR 10, MAYBE 5 OR 10 MINUTE PARKING ONLY A COUPLE OF THOSE SPOTS. SO UBER WILL KNOW IT. AND THEN SOMEBODY 
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ELSE COULD BE PICKING UP OR DROPPING OFF PEOPLE. AND THEN THEY WOULD SAY, IT'S JUST NOT UBER, BUT IT'S 5 OR 10 MINUTES, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN A FIVE MINUTE PARKING, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S ALSO A MENTALITY ACROSS THE ACROSS THE BRIDGE, ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND ON MAIN STREET, THE BUSINESS IS OVER. THEY'RE STARTING TO PUT UP SIGNS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET TOWED. SO, YOU KNOW, HERE YOU GOT A THREE STORY BUILDING WITH NO WITH A RADIO STATION, WHICH HAS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE PEOPLE DURING THE DAY AND A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THE EVENING AND THEY DON'T ANYBODY PARK IN THERE, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE NOT BEING VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, AND BUT I ALSO RESPECT THE, THE TOWING PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT TRYING TO SELL THEIR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO TOW AND WE'RE GOING TO TOW FOR YOU AND PRIVATE PROPERTY. YEAH. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND SO, BUT, BUT I MEAN, STILL IT'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, GIVE OR TAKE, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, THE TOW PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SELL THEIR WARES. BUT THEN THE, YOU KNOW, IT ENDS UP SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE NOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR EITHER. SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, PARALLEL PARKING IN DOWNTOWN. I MEAN, IT'S A COUPLE NIGHTS A WEEK IN MY OPINION, OR EVENT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A MAJOR PROBLEM AT THIS TIME? NO. PEOPLE JUST GOT TO GET AN ATTITUDE. THEY GOT TO PARK A LITTLE WAYS OR THEY GOT TO GO TO THE GARAGE AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE MAIN STREET COULD BE BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE BRIDGE AND, AND MAYBE EVEN FROM BANK STREET DOWN TO ADAMS STREET MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, SIGNS THAT SAY TO OUR PARKING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'VE GOT THE SIGNS DOWN BY DENNETT CAGE. SO WE DON'T HAVE BOATS, YOU KNOW, BOAT TRAILERS PARKED THERE ALL DAY IN FRONT OF A WHOLE ROW OF BUSINESSES. SO YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP THE BUSINESSES THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, THE MENTALITY OF I'M PARKING IN FRONT OF THE PLACE WHERE I WORK, I DON'T I DON'T GET THAT. I DON'T GET PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ON THAT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP YOUR JOB BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO COME TO YOUR BUSINESS. YEAH. SO FIRST OF ALL, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS CONVERSATIONAL, SO PARDON ME FOR JUMPING IN AND JUST TRYING TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS ON THE CONGENIAL BASIS INSTEAD OF I'M TALKING. SO I WANTED TO FINISH MY SENTENCES. THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE. BUT YOU'VE JUST EXPLAINED AND I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. SO LET'S IF WE CAN MAKE A CONVERSATIONAL. BECAUSE THERE ARE ISSUES ABOUT THIS THING THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT FOR WAYS THAT WE CAN BE MORE ENGAGING. SO WE WORRY ABOUT PUTTING SOME NEW RULES IN AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CREATE THIS IDEA THAT PEOPLE AREN'T WELCOME OR WE DON'T WANT THEM. AND MY WHOLE REASON FOR THIS IS TO SAY, JOHN GALLAGHER, WHO LIVES IN GULF HARBOR'S DURING THE CASCO OR AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT MAY BE JUST A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY, BUT TO YOUR OWN POINT, IN THE PAST, YOU SAID THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKE THEIR MONEY. SO NOW I READ FROM THE MEMO FROM THE CITY MANAGER THAT WE'VE GOT BUSINESSES IN TOWN WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE THE SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE GOING ON. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ANXIOUS ABOUT LOSING BUSINESS DURING THE EVENTS. AND SO I SEE THE RESTAURANTS ANXIOUS ABOUT THE FOOD TRUCKS. SO WE HAVE THIS LARGER CONVERSATION, AND I JUST WANT TO HAVE THAT AND NOT BE PIGEONHOLED INTO THIS IS ONLY ABOUT THOSE. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. WE CAN SCRAP THE IDEA RIGHT NOW, PUTTING ANY SIGNS UP AND LIVE WITH WHAT WE HAVE. BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, AND I THINK YOU AND I AND DEBBIE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WOULD REMEMBER THIS, BUT WHEN THE EASY EVENT RIDE PEOPLE WERE HERE, THEY MADE A PRESENTATION. IT WAS, I THINK, STARKEY WHO WAS NOT READY FOR IT, BUT THEY HAD A PITCH. AND THEY DO THIS IN JACKSONVILLE AND IN OTHER PLACES THAT ARE BUSY, AND IT'S A GOLF CART THING. AND SO THEY USE LOCAL RETIRED MILITARY AND FOLKS THAT DRIVE AROUND FREE LYFT AND THEY HAVE AN APP. AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MODERN PARKING WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THINGS, BEVIS STEVENSON MENTIONED THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, THAT THEY NOW HAVE RESIDENTS WHO WHEN THERE'S A BALL GAME, THERE IS AN APP THAT PEOPLE CAN FIND WHERE TO PARK AND IT'LL DELIVER THEM RIGHT TO THE LOT, AND THEY CAN PAY FOR A $5 OR $10 TO PARK. SO I THINK WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TURN THIS PROBLEM INTO, THIS IS A COOL PLACE. NOW WITH THE EASY EVENT RIDE, THEY CAME ASKING THE CITY FOR A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF MONEY AT THE TIME, BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THOSE BANNERS ON THE TOP THAT HAD ADVERTISEMENTS OF THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS, AND THEY DROVE AROUND WITH LITTLE SIGNAGE. AND HE'S BEEN AFTER ME FOR THREE YEARS TO TALK AGAIN, AND HE'S GOT A LITTLE PROGRAM. BUT I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY IS, I AGREE WITH BRIAN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MORE, MORE MULTIMODAL OPPORTUNITIES. AND I 
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KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE RIGHT DOWNTOWN AND THAT ALSO PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT AND, AND BLOCKING THAT THAT SECTION OFF. WE WANT AS MUCH FOOT TRAFFIC AND AS MUCH RAILROAD SQUARE ACTIVITY AND TOURISM AS WE CAN GET. I HAVE PROPOSED I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE. 
          OKAY. YEAH, I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE THAT. THE HOSPITAL IS WANTING TO EXPAND AND THEY CAN'T. AND THE HOSPITAL WOULD LOVE A PARKING GARAGE ON THAT BIG RETENTION POND AREA THERE. 
          AND THERE'S WAYS IN WHICH WE COULD LOOK AT THE GLOBAL PROBLEM. BUT COMMENT WAS MADE TO ME AT THE AT THE BALL. I THINK IT WAS THE MAYOR'S BALL. I SAT AT THE TABLE WITH SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, AND THEY'RE SAYING HOW MUCH THE DOCTORS WANT TO COME HERE AND LIVE HERE IN NEW PORT RICHEY, BECAUSE IT'S SO COOL. SO I THINK INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THIS AS A PROBLEM, WE SHOULD SAY, HOW CAN WE DO THINGS THAT ARE COOL, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, OUR ACTIVITY ON THE RIVER, OUR CONNECTIVITY, OUR WALKABILITY, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE THERE, OR MAYBE WHERE MASTER MECHANICS IS OR SOMEWHERE TO YOUR POINT ON THE PERIMETER. SO PEOPLE CAN EITHER SCRAMBLE OUT AND WALK OR THAT WE HAVE A GOOD REGULAR, RELIABLE TROLLEY, SO PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY USE IT. AND IF YOU DIDN'T SPEND ANY OF THAT CAPITAL MONEY, THEN GET GET THE EASY EVENT RIDE GUY IN HERE AND LET HIM GET SOME LOCAL ADVERTISERS AND GIVE THEM COUPONS OR TELL THEM WHAT'S GOING ON. SO TO ME, IT WAS ALWAYS FUN AT BUSCH GARDENS WHEN I WENT AND RODE THE TROLLEY. OR IF YOU GO EVEN IN THE PARKING LOT AND YOU WAIT AND YOU GET ON THE LITTLE TROLLEY AND YOU RIDE IN, I THINK IT'S AN EXPERIENCE THAT WE SHOULD BE REALLY LOOKING AT THE EXPENSES AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO SPEND OUR MONEY ON. THE REASON I MENTIONED THE HOSPITAL IS BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT WE WANT TO COME FOR LUNCH. THAT'S THE KIND OF REGULAR WORKING PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSE BY, JUST LIKE IN DADE CITY. THEY'VE GOT THE HUGE COUNTY BUILDING. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IT OUT ON LITTLE ROAD AND WE HAVE OUR BUILDING, AND I THINK THAT SUPPORTS A LOT OF BUSINESS IN TOWN. I'LL BET, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME IN HERE, BUT IT'S A IT'S A BIGGER LOOK. SO FORGIVE ME FOR I DON'T WANT TO GET PIGEONHOLED INTO THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE ARE PARKING THERE. AND THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM. I MEAN, IT'S AN AGGRAVATION WHEN YOU SEE IT, BUT THERE'S HANDICAPPED. THERE'S FOLKS WANTING TO COME TO THE THEATER. THERE'S OLDER FOLKS WHO. THERE'S YOUNGER FOLKS WHO LIKE TO DRINK AND DON'T WANT TO DRIVE HOME, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE HAVE THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN HERE, HOPE THAT MR. SULLIVAN, WHO USED TO DO SOME CHASCO FIESTA STUFF FOR A LONG TIME, I SAW HIM LAST WEEKEND AND HE WAS ASKING ABOUT THE PART, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF CARTS. AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SAID, I MOVED INTO THIS TOWN BECAUSE OF GOLF CARTS, AND I'LL BET YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO, WHO, WHO HAVE. SO WE HAVE A GOLF CART COMMUNITY. I THINK THE GOLF CART RIDES ARE ARE NIMBLE. THEY GET AROUND AND MAYBE THE EASY EVENT RIDE. HE'D HAPPY TO COME BACK AND TALK TO US AGAIN AND LET. AND LET HIM WITH A MODEST AMOUNT OF MONEY, SET SOMETHING UP AND HIRE LOCAL COPS AND VETERANS WHO IS WHAT THEY DO IN TAMPA. SO, SO TO THAT IDEA. SO WHEN MY DAUGHTER WENT TO SCHOOL AT ALABAMA, THEY HAD SOMETHING CALLED JOYRIDE. 
          YEAH. AND IT BASICALLY COVERED THEIR ALL OF TUSCALOOSA. AND IT WAS BASICALLY A FLAT FEE. IT WOULD PICK YOU UP. THERE WAS AN APP, IT WOULD PICK YOU UP. AND THERE IT WAS OBVIOUSLY COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO WERE DOING IT, BUT IT WAS GREAT BECAUSE IT WAS COOL. IT WAS FUN. YEAH. PLAY THE MUSIC YOU WANT. THERE WAS ADVERTISEMENT ON THERE. AND TO ME, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN TOWN WHO MAYBE WANT TO HAVE SOME DRINKS BUT DON'T WANT TO DRIVE. THAT'S RIGHT. SO I CAN GET JOYRIDE TO COME PICK ME UP AT MY HOUSE AND THEIR SIX SEATER GOLF CARTS. YEAH. SO TO ME, I THINK THAT COULD BE A COOL AVENUE. MAYBE KEEP THE DART THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT AND MAYBE NOT EXPAND ON IT. THE ONLY ISSUE WOULD BE THE DARTS FREE, AND THIS WOULD BE A COST OR EASY EVENT. RIDE IS FREE BECAUSE THEY THEY GIVE A SMALL SALARY. THEY HAVE A TIP JAR. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO, BUT IF YOU WANT A FREE RIDE, YOU CAN GET IT. AND I THINK IT'D BE WORTHWHILE BRINGING HIM IN. CHOPPER. THAT COULD KEEP US FROM HAVING TO PUT ALL THE SIGNAGE UP BECAUSE I AGREE. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MANAGE IT. I MEAN, ANY PLACE THAT I WANT THE SIGNS IS ON MAIN STREET FOR ABOUT THREE BLOCKS. YEAH. EVEN IF AND IF WE 
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PUT THEM, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THERE'S A SIGN ON RIVER ROAD THAT SAYS, PLEASE BE KIND TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WATCH OUT. SO I'M NOT THINKING AS MUCH OF JUST TRYING TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO DO WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO VERSUS TICKETS AND COMPLICATIONS AND ALL OF THAT. BUT, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THE LOCALS WOULD BE A LOT MORE ACTIVE IN COMING OUT INTO OUR CITY IF THEY KNEW THAT THEY COULD CATCH A RIDE AND GO BACK, AND THEY'D GLADLY GIVE A $5 BILL JUST TO AVOID HAVING TO COME IN AND PARK. I THINK WE COULD USE THIS GOLF CART MOBILITY TO TO OUR ADVANTAGE, BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD GET LOCAL BUSINESSES SPONSOR. YEAH, WE COULD GET THEM INVOLVED IN PARADES, OTHER EVENTS HERE. AND THEN I THINK WE COULD APPEASE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE SOME OF THE EVENTS, WHO SAY THAT IT SCARES PEOPLE AWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PARK. WELL, IF YOU SET UP A RESERVATION AT, SAY, ESTUARY, YOU CAN'T GET THERE ALONG WITH YOUR RESERVATION. WE'LL SET YOU UP, WE'LL GET YOU A RIDE FROM THE PARKING GARAGE AT YOUR SET TIME OR WHATEVER. WHO HATES THE CHASCO IN THE BIG EVENTS BECAUSE IT BLOCKS OFF THEIR THEIR PEOPLE SPENDING THE NIGHT? YES. SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE A BIGGER SELL, NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENT, BUT I THINK FOR THE BUSINESSES ON THE ON THE TOPIC OF GOLF CARTS AND, AND NEW TROLLEY SYSTEMS, I, I THINK WITH THE NEW APP WHERE YOU CAN TRACK WHERE THE, THE DART IS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I THINK SOME OF THE HOLD UP IS STILL LIKE I COULD TRACK WHERE A BUS IS, BUT THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT SAYS 30 MINUTES AWAY OR 15 MINUTES AWAY. SO RATHER THAN, I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO HEARING THE THE PITCH BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM EASY RIDES, BUT IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR WITHIN THAT APP OR SOME OTHER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE LOGISTICALLY IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY REQUEST, HEY, I'M AT THIS STOP BECAUSE I THINK I THINK ONE OF THE HOLDUPS IS, TO YOUR POINT, IF I GOT A RESERVATION AT ESTUARY AND THE STOP IS THE THEATER, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A FAR DISTANCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT. BUT I'M THINKING, OKAY, NOW I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE THE TROLLEY. I GET ON THE TROLLEY, I GET TO THE SUNCOAST THEATER. I STILL GOT TO GET OFF AND I STILL GOT TO WALK VERSUS LIKE AN UBER. I KNOW I'M GOING FROM A TO B AT THIS TIME BECAUSE I REQUESTED IT. AND I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE HOLDUP IS THE ONLY COMPLAINTS I'M HEARING IS I'M NOT GOING TO. I'M NOT GOING TO STAND AND WAIT FOR THE TROLLEY WHEN I. BY THE TIME THE TROLLEY GETS THERE, I COULD HAVE WALKED TO MY LOCATION VERSUS. HEY, YOU GOT. THE DRIVER SEES HE'S GOT FOUR REQUESTS WAITING AT THE GARAGE. MAYBE HE CUTS THE RIDE SHORT AND JUST GOES BACK TO THE GARAGE AND PICKS UP THOSE PEOPLE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 2 TO 3 MINUTE TIME PERIOD. BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE SAT THERE AND I'VE WAITED AND YOU'LL HAVE TWO OF THEM RUNNING AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE RUNNING BACK TO BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY JUST GOT OFF RHYTHM. IF THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTONOMY OF WHERE THEY WERE NOT A HUGE DOWNTOWN, LIKE THEY DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY FOLLOW A ROUTE. IF WE HAVE AN APP THAT SAYS, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE THEY ARE, I'M REQUESTING IT IN THIS GENERAL AREA. AND THE TROLLEY JUST GOES, FIND THAT AND FINDS THAT PERSON. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST IN BETWEEN, CONSIDERING WE'VE ALREADY SUNK SO MUCH MONEY INTO TWO BEAUTIFULLY ADA ACCESSIBLE GOLF CARTS. SO TO THAT POINT YOU JUST MADE, I'M LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE BECAUSE, YES, OUR DOWNTOWN IS THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M THINKING OF WHEN THE OLD GULF HIGH SCHOOL GETS UP AND RUNNING. WE'VE GOT A BIGGER TRIANGLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ENCOMPASS. SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF WORK THIS PROBLEM SMALL, BUT WITH THE POTENTIAL TO GROW IT. SO MY OPINION IS MAYBE NOT JUST THIS EASY EVENT RIDES, BUT SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A FEW COMPANIES COME IN AND GIVE SOME IDEAS, I THINK WOULD BE GREAT AND KIND OF START FROM THERE, BECAUSE I THINK MOVING AWAY FROM THE QUASI PARKING ENFORCEMENT SCENARIO TO MORE FIGURING OUT A BETTER MOBILITY SOLUTION IS, I THINK, A BETTER PITCH IN GENERAL. YEAH. AND I THINK THE EXCLUSIVITY THAT IS DESIRED BY THOSE GROUPS THAT ARE OFFICIAL, WE HAVE ALREADY, WHEN WE'VE HAD EVENTS THAT I DON'T THINK MAIN STREET HAS PICKED UP A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE THESE LARGER GOLF CARTS THAT ARE LINED UP WHENEVER THERE'S SOMETHING AT THE HACIENDA, AND THEY TAKE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE OR DRIVE THEM AROUND. BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH. WHAT, 400, 500? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE AT THIS POINT NOW, BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT JUST LOVE THE GOLF CART. ALL THE. AND THEY'RE DRIVING ALL THE WAY FROM THE GOLF HIGH SCHOOL AND EVERYWHERE. I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO US SAYING THAT'S PART OF OUR THEME. AND, 
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YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD ENJOY IT AND GET TO RIDE THE GOLF CART THEMSELVES, RIGHT. VERSUS THE TROLLEY. BUT I THINK THE CITY'S SYSTEM IS ON A DIRECT ROUTE, SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS. 
          AND SO HOW DO YOU FEED INTO IT OR, OR HOW DO YOU GET DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE WHO AREN'T GOING TO GO TO THE PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE THEY LIVE HERE? RIGHT? TO YOUR POINT, GO TO THEIR HOUSE, PICK THEM UP. SOME OF THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE NOW THE BIG ONES. THEY'RE SAYING, ARE THE NEW FUTURE SUBDIVISIONS UP BY THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY. THEY'RE ADVERTISING THAT THEY HAVE WHEN JESUS AUTONOMOUS STUFF IS GOING TO COME UP BEFORE WE KNOW IT TOO. BUT THEY HAVE APPS WHERE THE WORKING FAMILIES CAN HAVE SOMEONE PICK THEIR KID UP FROM AFTER SCHOOL FOOTBALL PRACTICE AND BRING THEM HOME. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED FOR TRANSPORTATION SOLUTION HERE. AND I THINK US LOOKING FOR IT WOULD BE A GREAT MOVE. SO I'M ALL FOR IT. I'M ALL WITH YOU BRIAN ON, ON, ON MAKING IT A TOURIST ATTRACTION. IT WAS A COOL GOLF CART. AND IT'S NOT SUN CITY. THEY'RE NOT ALL BUNCH OF OLD PEOPLE LIKE AT THE VILLAGES OR SUN CITY BECAUSE WE MIXED WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE HERE. I MEAN, IF YOU GO TO AN AREA, THEY HAVE A MONKEY BUS WHERE IT'S AN OLD CHURCH BUS, YOU KNOW, IT'S BENCH SEATS, THERE'S A THERE'S MUSIC YOU CAN PUT ON WHATEVER YOU WANT. IT JUST IT JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE LOOSER. IT'S NOT AS STRICT. WELL, TO BRIAN'S POINT, IF WE'RE GOING IF WE'RE THINKING FUTURE HERE, GOING BIG ON NOT FLYING BATTELLE. WELL, I'M GOING TO GO ONE STEP BELOW FLYING. I KNOW TAMPA JUST GOT THEIR WAYMO'S SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT. LOVE THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT AGREEMENT LOOKS LIKE. BUT THEY THEY WENT FROM LIKE 1 OR 2 TO I FEEL LIKE EVERY STREET CORNER I TAKE OVER THERE, THERE'S A WAYMO. I WOULD BE UP FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE BIG ENOUGH TO SEND US 1 OR 2 OVER TO THE LITTLE, LITTLE CITY OF NEW PORT RICHEY. I'D BE OPEN TO THAT. HAVE YOU DONE? ONE GUY'S NOT HERE, BUT HAVE YOU BEEN IN ONE? I HAVE NOT BEEN IN ONE, SO I'VE BEEN IN ONE. SO, NASHVILLE. COOLEST THING EVER. AND THE TECHNOLOGY IS UNBELIEVABLE. IT LITERALLY IT RECOGNIZES YOU WHEN YOU PULL UP. IT HAS YOUR NAME RIGHT THERE. YOU SET THE MUSIC YOU WANT, THE TEMPERATURE YOU WANT, AND IT DRIVES YOU. AND IT ACTUALLY ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT SEES THE PEDESTRIANS. SO IT WILL PULL UP TO AN INTERSECTION, NO RED LIGHT, AND IT'LL SEE THE PEDESTRIANS. IT'LL WAIT FOR THEM TO CROSS BEFORE IT GOES. BUT IT'S UNBELIEVABLE TECHNOLOGY. HAVE YOU ON ANY DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST WILL SPEAK TO COUNCILMAN ALTMAN AFTER THE MEETING ABOUT CONTACT INFORMATION FOR EASY PARKING AND TAMPA WAYMO'S. AND THE FREEBEE HAS BEEN AFTER US AS WELL. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WE LOOK AT THOSE PRICES, YOU KNOW WHAT. AND THEN WE LOOK AT HOW MANY HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR PARKING GARAGE AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, IS IT IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE, THE, THE PERSONNEL, THE WAYMO DOESN'T HAVE PEOPLE. THAT'S HOW THEY SELL IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ONE PERSON MAYBE WATCHING MULTIPLE VEHICLES FROM THEIR LIVING ROOM OR FROM A OFFICE OR SOMETHING SOMEWHERE. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT SOMETHING, SOMETHING WE CAN GET EXCITED ABOUT. AND THAT'S THE KEY. AND I KIND OF LIKE CHOPRA. I HAVE TO SAY, I KIND OF LIKE THAT YOU'VE DIRECTED AWAY FROM SIGNAGE AND BLOCKING AND TO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM. BUT I DO THINK WE COULD BRING A LOT MORE BUSINESS INTO TOWN, ESPECIALLY NIGHTTIME BUSINESS IN THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT BUSINESS. IF WE HAD SAFE WAYS TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT AND AN ACTIVE, YOU KNOW, GROUP OF, OF SOBER DRIVERS THAT COULD HELP TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, IT'S SELLING THE PARKING. WELL, THE, THE OTHER PART TO IT IS WE'RE, WE'RE GROWING, SO WE'RE NOT STAGNANT. 
          SO THE ISSUE IS IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO STAY THE SAME. IT'S JUST GOING TO KEEP EXPANDING, RIGHT? SO THE MORE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO HERE, THE MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME HERE. 
          I MEAN, HECK, I GOT MY DAUGHTER'S WEDDING COMING UP HERE IN 40 DAYS. SO 175 PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SO I UNDERSTAND THE PARKING SITUATION. SO I'VE TAKEN IT UPON MYSELF. I HIRED OLYMPUS LIMO TO BRING GUESTS FROM THE HACIENDA TO THE CHURCH AND BACK, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. SO I'M JUST TAKING CARE OF THAT BEFORE IT'S EVEN A PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMICS ARE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN LIKE FIVE YEARS WHEN THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE NEW GENERATION THAT DON'T OWN A CAR OR DON'T EVEN GET THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE UNTIL THEY'RE IN THEIR 30S OR WHATEVER, JUST BECAUSE OF THE INSURANCE COSTS, AND THEY DON'T USE THE STOVE. SO THEY USE UBER EATS ALL THE TIME. YEP. SO WORK FROM HOME. BUT, BUT TO, TO THAT 
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POINT, WE DO HAVE KAISER UNIVERSITY HERE AND WE DO HAVE INTEREST FROM SAINT LEO AND HAVING COURSES AND, AND SO WHEN THEY CAME IN, THEY WANTED TO EXAMINE OUR CITY TO SEE IF IT WAS A KIND OF CITY THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THEIR STUDENTS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN. AND THEY WERE VERY IMPRESSED. SO WHAT WE HAVE GOING IS REALLY SOMETHING TO SELL. SO I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT A BIG UNIVERSITY TOWN, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE THOSE YOUNGER FAMILIES COMING IN PASCO-HERNANDO STATE COLLEGE, YOU NEVER KNOW. YEAH. AND, AND THE MARINE BIOLOGY THING, SOMETHING I'VE BEEN PUSHING A LONG TIME AND WE'VE GOT THE RIVER. SO WE'VE GOT AT LEAST IF IF NOT A CAMPUS, WE'VE GOT A, A SATELLITE OPERATION HERE THAT THAT HELPS TO ATTRACT THE YOUNG FOLKS. AND YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR INPUT? NO, I THINK I THINK IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION. I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS A MULTIDIMENSIONAL APPROACH. I LIKE THE BIG PICTURE STUFF, ALWAYS A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH FOR OUR PARKING IN OF ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. BUT REALLY, I THINK YOU GUYS HAD SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS AND KEEP GOING. AND I ALSO THINK, AND THIS GOES BACK TO YOU, NATHAN, YOU GOT TO TELL YOUR BUSINESS OWNERS DOWNTOWN TO NOT PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN PLACE UNLESS IT'S ON A MONDAY, TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY. YEAH, I'M JUST BEING HONEST. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE CARL WOULD TAKE UP FOUR SPOTS WITH HIS TRUCK. HE NEVER PARKS IN FRONT OF HIS PLACE. I'M JUST KIDDING. YEAH. HE DOES. IT'S THAT STRIPED AREA WHERE THE FIRE HYDRANT IS. YEAH. WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE CONSENSUS ON THE UBER EATS DRIVING THING? WHAT WHERE DID WE LAND ON THAT ON THE LIKE THEM PARKING IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE A 15 OR 30 MINUTE WHATEVER. WE'RE KIND OF RELYING ON THE CHIEF TO KIND OF GIVE US A, AN IDEA, DO UBER, WHATEVER THE PARKING IS, YOU JUST DESIGNATE THAT SO WE CAN ENFORCE IT. YEAH. IF SOME OF THE CARS THERE THAT'S NOT UBER, GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE VIOLATING THIS DEPARTMENT. WELL, IT'S NOT CARRY OUT UBER EATS. IT'S FIVE I THINK. YEAH. YEAH. BUT CARRY OUT. YEAH. WHAT IF I WANT TO DRIVE IN WHATEVER YOU DESIGNATE JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ENFORCE. YEAH. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T ENFORCE IT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VIOLATE IT. WELL, AND I'M THINKING ALSO COME BACK TO US AND SAY, WHERE DO YOU THINK ARE THE BEST PLACES FOR IT? NOT US. AND I'M ALSO THINKING IN FRONT OF RICHEY SUNCOAST THEATER, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THOSE TWO SPOTS THAT'S TYPICALLY A DROP OFF SPOT FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO THE THEATER, BE DONE WITH IT. 
          YEAH. SO THAT MIGHT BE, THAT MIGHT BE A, THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THE TWO ACROSS FROM IT. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY CENTER DOWNTOWN. YOU GET IN AND GET OUT. WELL, WE HEARD THAT ARGUMENT. PEOPLE WANT TO GO DOWN AND GET A TO GO THING. AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE, WELL, HECK, I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT IT TO GET IT. SO 5 OR 10 MINUTES, YOU CAN GO FROM IN FRONT OF THE THEATER AT ANYWHERE DOWNTOWN. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. GOT IT RIGHT. AND IT WORKS GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, THEATER NIGHTS WHERE PEOPLE DROP PEOPLE OFF. YEAH. 
          GOOD POINT. AND UBER DROP OFF, WHATEVER. ALL RIGHT. DEBBIE, I HAVE PUSHED THAT PARKING GARAGE OR I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE DOING A REVERSE TAX INCREMENT WHEN WE HAVE OUR BIGGEST EMPLOYER IN THE HOSPITAL CONTINUING TO BUY MORE HOUSES AND EXPAND ON GROUND. 
          AND IF THEY WANT TO GROW, IF THEY DON'T GROW, THEN THEY GO. AND SO I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO ENTICE AND BRING NEW STUFF IN, WHERE WE WORK ON WHO WE HAVE, AND MAKE SURE IF THERE'S A SOLUTION, I STILL SEE THAT BIG RETENTION POND AND THEN THAT BIG DIP GOING ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE REC CENTER AND WHAT THAT JACOBS SAID AT THE MEETING WHERE THEY SHOWED A BIG VAULT UNDER THE ROAD, THAT THAT CAN JUST HOLD THE WATER INSTEAD OF HAVING A HAVING A RETENTION POND ON A HILL. WELL, THAT'S HOW THE THAT'S HOW THE ALDI'S IS. THEIR RETENTION IS UNDERNEATH THEIR PARKING LOT, THE KMART. SO CASH AND CARRY. 
          YEAH. YEP. YEAH. I'M DONE. YOU GUYS GOOD? YEAH. IT'S TIME TO EAT. ALL RIGHT. I'M
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