May 19, 2026 Community Redevelopment Agency

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DIRECTOR. MURPHY. DIRECTOR ALTMAN. DIRECTOR. BUTLER. EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. MANS. CITY.

ATTORNEY. DRISCOLL. HERE. MIND IF I PASS ON THE PLEDGE? AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE?

[1) Call to Order - Roll Call]

[2) Approval of Minutes]

[3) Consent Agenda]

[4.a) RFP26-024 Real Estate Listing Agreement - Rivergate Palm District Properties]

[4.b) RFP27-001 Real Estate Developer - Rivergate Palm District Properties]

TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE FIVE AND THREE QUARTER ACRES PROPERTY WE OWN WE CALL RIVERGATE PALM. I'M GOING TO DO IT KIND OF LIKE DALE USUALLY DOES AT DALE HALL DOES. WE'VE GOT TWO AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE KIND OF RELATED, SO I'M GOING TO DO THEM AT THE SAME TIME.

YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS ON THEM. ONES. RFP 26024 THAT'S DEFINED A REAL ESTATE LISTING AGENT. AND THE OTHER IS RFP 27001 THAT'S DEFINED A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER. WE KNOW THE CRA CONTROLLED LAND CRA OWNED AND CONTROLLED LAND. AGAIN RIVERSIDE PALM, THESE ARE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN. OBVIOUSLY, THREE ROADWAYS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE MARKET ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.

IF YOU RECALL, WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. WE BOUGHT THE CHURCH PROPERTY, WHICH IS PARCEL NUMBER TWO WAY BACK IN 2006, THE TRUIST BUILDING PARCEL NUMBER ONE WAS BOUGHT IN 2022 CIGAR BUILDING, WHICH IS PARCEL NUMBER THREE 2023. WE BOUGHT THAT LITTLE RESIDENTIAL LOT IN 2024. AND JUST AN UPDATE FOR YOU ALL. WE JUST CUT THE CHECK FOR THE OPTION AGREEMENT ON THE RIVERSIDE BAPTIST. DROPPED HIM THE CHECK THIS WEEK FOR OUR FIRST YEAR OF THE THREE YEAR OPTION, WHICH YOU ALL APPROVED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. DROPPED THAT CHECK TO HIM THIS WEEK. THAT'S THE PURPLE. THAT IS THE PURPLE. OKAY. AGAIN, THE PURPOSE TO RETAIN A REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE TEAM TO MARKET THE PROPERTY, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, TO FIND A DEVELOPMENT ENTITY AFTER THAT, TO DEVELOP AN APPROVED PROJECT. SO LET'S RECALL, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. WE DID THIS LAST YEAR AND WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL, UNFORTUNATELY THE RFP. SO WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU AGAIN. SO THIS IS KIND OF A REAL BRIEF TIMELINE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. WE RELEASED WE RELEASED THE LISTING AGREEMENT RFP IN NOVEMBER 10TH. WE HAD A DUE DATE FOR THE PROPOSALS TO COME IN DECEMBER 2ND, WE CHOSE CUSHMAN AND WAKEFIELD. AND ON DECEMBER 10TH OF LAST YEAR, WE EXECUTED THEIR LISTING AGREEMENT. CONCURRENTLY, WE HAD THE RFP GOING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ENTITY. WE RELEASED THAT IN NOVEMBER 24TH, AND THEN WE HAD TO CONTINUE TO EXTEND THE DUE DATE TO HELP HIM GET SOME PROPOSALS IN, AND WE DIDN'T END UP GETTING ANY FOR THAT REASON. WE TERMINATED THE LISTING AGREEMENT BACK ON APRIL 17TH. SO KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED? A COUPLE OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE, I THINK THINGS THAT WE WERE KIND OF CHANGING, THINGS WE WERE WORKING ON GETTING ADDITIONAL LAND. REMEMBER WE HAD THE INUNDATION POND. WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME LAND ACROSS THE STREET. WE HAD IT UNDER OPTION. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIVERSIDE BAPTIST ONE DONE YET. IT WAS STILL IN NEGOTIATION. SO I THINK ALL OF THAT THING, ALL OF THAT'S WORKED OUT. THE INUNDATION POND IS NO LONGER PART OF THE PROJECT. SO I THINK THAT AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME CERTAINTY THERE FROM THE THE LISTING AGENT FROM CUSHMAN AND WAKEFIELD, HE SAID AS SOON AS THE WAR IN IRAN STARTED, HE SAID ALL ACTIVITY DROPPED.

ANYBODY THAT WAS LOOKING FOR A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT STOPPED. IF THEY WERE WORKING ON ONE, THEY HAD TO CONTINUE. BUT NOBODY WAS LOOKING FOR ANYTHING NEW. AGAIN, THAT'S FROM HIM.

THAT'S A LITTLE ODD BECAUSE I'VE NOW SHOWN IT TO THREE PEOPLE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN IT, BUT THEY DO SAY THAT FINANCING IS VERY, VERY TOUGH.

AND THEY ALSO SAY MARKET RATES DON'T SUPPORT NEW DEVELOPMENT IN NEW PORT RICHEY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM AND SAY, LISTEN, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN. THAT'S THAT'S YOUR MARKET TO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THEM INTERESTED. TIMING ON THESE TWO RFPS. WE'LL RELEASE IT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, ASSUMING THIS GETS APPROVED TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY ON THE LISTING ONE, WE'LL HAVE A PROPOSAL DUE DATE BY JULY 20TH.

WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL TO SELECT TO APPROVE THE SELECTED PROPOSER ON AUGUST 18TH. AND AGAIN, WE'LL RUN THE RFP FOR THE DEVELOPER CONCURRENTLY, BUT GIVE THEM A COUPLE OF MONTHS TIME ONCE THEY GET IT LISTED TO PICK SOMEBODY. AND AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK TO

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IT'S REALLY TAKEN ON A A RENAISSANCE SINCE DEBBIE CAME ON BOARD AND ANDY'S DEPARTMENT.

EVERYBODY DOWNTOWN IS ON FIRE. IT'S SO MUCH FUN AND I APPRECIATE THE CONCERTS, THE TRASH COLLECTION ON SATURDAY. I MEAN, Y'ALL ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE YOUR JOB, BUT I JUST HOPE YOU'LL THINK REALLY SERIOUSLY BEFORE YOU PUT A HIGH RISE UP ON 19 THAT BACKS INTO RIVER ROAD. RIVER ROAD IS NOT A GOOD LOCATION FOR A FIVE STORY BUILDING. IT'S JUST NOT. I KNOW YOU ALL TRAVEL IT. I TRAVEL IT OFTEN. WE'RE ON THE NORTH END, BUT THE SOUTH END IS A LITTLE RAMBLING ROAD. IT'S NOT MEANT FOR A FIVE STORY MULTI USE BUILDING. THAT IS MY CONCERN. I KNOW Y'ALL WILL DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ANYWAY, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF. AGAIN, I HAD LOTS MORE TO SAY, BUT IT'S JUST GETTING TOO LATE. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE ELSE COME FORWARD, BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND VOTE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A PAUSE FOR THE CAUSE ON THIS WHOLE OPERATION FOR A MOMENT AND REFLECT ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD EARLIER THIS MORNING, THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS AND THE BASICALLY, LET'S GET, AS A CRA A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, HOW LONG WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH IT, AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I'M AS CONCERNED RIGHT NOW FOR THE MORE EXPENSIVE PROPERTY WE BOUGHT AT HIGHWAY 19 BRIDGE. AND OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, I'VE HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUES OF WISHFUL THINKING, WHICH I DO MYSELF SOMETIMES TO SAY, OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE A MIXED USE. OR I THINK, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU COMMENTED DURING THE ELECTION THAT YOU THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS PLANNING TO BUILD A MARINA THERE. THERE'S A GREAT INTEREST IN SOME PUBLIC FACILITIES THAT SERVE OUR ECONOMIC RESILIENT NEEDS, AND I THINK THAT JUST GOING OUT TO HAVE A DEVELOPER COME IN AND TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY IS NOT WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS. THE PUBLIC WANTS US TO SAY, THIS IS A PICTURE OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN AND KIND OF WHERE. SO I HAVE ASKED, AND I THINK I'VE GOT A RESPONSE, THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF RESPONSE, BUT I'VE ASKED FOR THAT. THAT FIRM THAT WE HIRED THAT WAS AN ARCHITECT THE DAY THEY BROUGHT UP THE BOAT RAMPS, WHICH IS PUTTING THE KIBOSH ON THE ENTIRE RIVER ROAD PANIC MODE THAT'S HAPPENING, THAT THAT AND THIS IS A PART OF IT BECAUSE WE HEARD IT THIS MORNING AT THIS THIS AFTERNOON, AT THIS EVENING AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IT WASN'T YET. IT'S NOT YESTERDAY YET, BUT GETTING CLOSE. I'M GETTING THERE. NO, WE'RE GETTING THERE. BOTTOM LINE, THAT ARCHITECT, IF WE'VE HIRED THEM AND WE'VE PAID THEM AND THEY CAME HERE ONE TIME TO FACE THE AUDIENCE AND SPEAK TO THEM TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WANTED.

BEFORE ANYONE HAS TALKED TO US. SO I'VE HEARD FROM DEVELOPERS IN OUT OF STATE THAT IF YOU WANT A DEVELOPER TO BUILD SOMETHING, THEY'RE INTERESTED IN A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING THAT HAS AN ELEMENT THAT CAN BE FUNDED, THAT THEY HAVE A CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS THAT THE RETAIL MARKET IS SOFT, PEOPLE ARE ANXIOUS. THE BUSINESSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ON THE

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LOOK OUT ON LITTLE ROAD, LOOK OUT ON PLATT ROAD. LOOK AT THEY'RE COMING. THEY'RE COMING INTO TOWN. BUT THEY'RE NOT WALKING. THEY'RE DRIVING THEIR CARS. SO WE WANT PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, THAT ENJOY THE CITY, THAT PAY THE TAXES, THAT ENJOY THE BENEFIT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND, AND I JUST SEE THIS RESISTANCE THAT'S GROWING TO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WANTS TO BUILD. AND IT CAN BE BUILT INTO SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE LIKE. BUT I WILL REJECT THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD SOMETHING ALONG MAIN STREET TO CREATE A CHANNEL OF TRAFFIC, WALKABLE TRAFFIC ACROSS THE BRIDGE, BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO DRIVE ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND SEE THE RIVER, OR MAYBE THEY'LL MISS IT. EVERYONE KNOWS WE HAVE A RIVER, AND WE HAD A DESIGN DONE FOUR YEARS AGO OF WHAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. I SAY WE COME UP WITH A COUPLE OF SIMPLE IDEAS AND THEN THROW IT OUT TO BID. I APPRECIATE THE THE NEED FOR US TO TAKE ACTION. AND WE'VE ALL SAID IT. I'M I'M ASKING, CAN WE HAVE SOME TIME TO SHARE OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT WE THINK THIS COULD BE? HOW WE CAN BUILD IT, AND HOW MUCH DENSITY WE WANT ON IT, AND HOW MUCH RETURN WE WANT OUR ON OUR INVESTMENT, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE A DEBT IN THE CRA THAT WE CAN'T HANDLE IN A VERY QUICK BUSINESS. WE DON'T HAVE TO GET OUR MONEY BACK, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IS HAVE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WANTS. IT MAKES THE CITY BETTER, AND IT MAKES OUR SCHOOL KIDS DO BETTER AND MAKES FAMILIES COME IN AND, AND

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TO ME, THE MONEY WE SPENT ON FANCY STREET LIGHTS ON RIVER ROAD. I'M SORRY, BUT TO SAY YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO DRIVE ON. THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE OF OF THE STRATEGY WHICH IS COME ENJOY OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY, TIGHTEN UP THE ROADS. I THINK THAT OUR VISION GETS LOST IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR. AND IT'S NOT REALLY HOT RIGHT NOW. COULDN'T WE TAKE SOME TIME TO JUST LET'S JUST YOU SAID THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE LOOKING RIGHT NOW. SO, I MEAN, IF YOU GET HIRED OR YOU HIRE AND HE WANTS TO BRING A SALE TO YOU AND MAKE THE SALE, I DON'T THINK THE CITY IS READY FOR THE SALE. DOT WANTED TO COME IN AND GET INVOLVED AND SHOW US HOW THEY COULD RUN ALL THE TRAFFIC BACK THE OTHER DIRECTION BEFORE IT GETS OUT ON THE HIGHWAY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THAT TRAFFIC TO COME OUT ONTO MAIN STREET BECAUSE IT CAN'T HANDLE IT. WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO DOT. I THINK WE NEED A DESIGN TEAM TO HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING ON ALL FRONTS AND, AND SHOW THIS IS OUR VISION OF WHAT WE LIKE AND GET THE PUBLIC BEHIND IT. I CAN SEE IT COMING. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE. WE WERE ALREADY FACING IT ON THE HOSPITAL SITE WHERE LUCKILY, MAYOR, YOU STOOD UP. THEN THE, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR REELECTION AND YOU SAID, THIS IS GOOD FOR US. AND WE ALL AGREE. BUT THERE'S STILL FOLKS OUT THERE THAT ARE TAKING POT SHOTS AT IT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE.

SO I'M SORRY, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT I REALLY WANT TO HAVE US HAVE A DISCUSSION OF WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO DROP THE IDEA OF HAVING IT BE ENVIRONMENTALLY CORRECT AND BEING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT FORWARD AND SAY, THIS IS A PROJECT WE'RE PROUD OF. IT WAS A POINT WHEN COUNCILMAN PHILLIPS WANTED TO JUST SELL EVERYTHING, BECAUSE WE'D HELD ON TO IT TOO LONG. WE HAVE VALUABLE PROPERTY ON THE WATER. I'VE SEEN DESIGNS OF CONFERENCE CENTER THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET LAST FRIDAY. THAT'S LIKE 400 SEATS TIERED. LOOK OVER AT THE CORNER AND IT'S LIKE, WHY ISN'T THAT? IF IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE, WHY ISN'T THAT NEXT TO A HOTEL ON THE WATER? MAYBE OUT ON HIGHWAY 19 OR MAYBE AT THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I DON'T KNOW. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN TOO LONG OF A RUN FOR US TO TURN OURSELVES OVER TO A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND TELL US WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO BUILD, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU HEAR, AND THAT'S WHY IT TOOK FOUR YEARS TO GET THAT OTHER PROJECT. BECAUSE ANYWAY, THAT'S MY LONG SPEECH, AS YOU WOULD HAVE EXPECTED. BUT I'M NOT I'M NOT FOR MOVING FORWARD TODAY IN POST HASTE. I'M FOR US GETTING A PLAN WE CAN TAKE TO OUR RESIDENTS AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND. NO BOAT RAMP, YOU KNOW, NO BOAT RAMP LOSS, NO CHANGE IN THAT. BUT HOW ABOUT SOMETHING AROUND IT? LIKE THE PICTURE WE PAID MONEY FOR THAT DESIGN. AND SO THAT DIDN'T EVEN COME TO PLAY. WHERE'S THE ARCHITECT? IF HE DOESN'T RETURN OUR CALLS THEN DROP HIM. YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE HIM, THEN TELL US. BUT WHERE'S OUR ADVISORS TO HELP US TO DESIGN THIS? SORRY, I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING THERE. I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY THERE AND ONE OF THE REASONS.

I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE DENSITY THERE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT IS. BUT BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GRAND SHUT DOWN FOR A YEAR TO REDO THE BRIDGE. AND IF WE HAVE A PROJECT GOING OVER THERE, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE GOING, YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN RIVER ROAD, UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, MADISON. AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE WAY TOO MUCH. SO I DON'T NEED TO JUMP RIGHT IN AND PUT SOMETHING UP THERE THAT'S GOING TO REALLY PACK THAT STREET, LET ALONE THE CITIZENS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. AND I THINK THAT WE, WE FOUND OUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE BRIDGE WAS, I MEAN, WHERE, WHERE THE BOAT RAMP WAS THAT THE CITIZENS WANT TO KEEP IT. THE LOOK THAT THE SMALL DOWNTOWN LOOK THAT WE HAVE AND HAVE HAD FOR YEARS. SO WHEN THEY WHEN THEY BUILT THE STONEHEDGE, NOW IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT DOWNTOWN. IT HAS A COUPLE THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE DOWNTOWN. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ADD ADD TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT HOLDS US, MAKES US UNIQUE, NOT JUST SOMETHING DIFFERENT OVER HERE AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT OVER HERE. SO I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST LET'S US DECIDE WHAT WE WANT THERE, WHAT KIND OF DENSITY WE WANT THERE, AND THEN PUT IT OUT, YOU KNOW, NOT THEM COME AND TELLING US WHAT TO DO. WE LET THEM GO.

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I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF LIKE, IF WE WANT MORE COMMUNITY INPUT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS. I THINK IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A DEVELOPER, I MEAN, WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME LAYING OUT WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE IN THE LISTING. AND IT'S IN HERE MIXED PROJECTS, PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL RETAIL AND LIKE IT. IT'S LAID OUT HERE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES ON, I, I AGREE THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ELEMENT OF INTEREST. I'M ONE OF THE VOCAL ONES ON IT. WE GET A DEVELOPER ON AND THEN WE DON'T HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER, THEY HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER AND WE HAVE NO INPUT IN THE PROCESS. AND THEN THE DEVELOPER OR THE DESIGN CONSULTANT OR WHOEVER IT IS GETS BLINDSIDED WHEN THE ROOM IS PACKED WITH PEOPLE AGAINST IT BECAUSE THERE IS A, THERE'S NOT A GAP BETWEEN LISTING TIME AND SHOVEL SHOVEL ON THE GROUND. THE GAP IS BETWEEN YOU GOT THE DEVELOPER YOU WANT, YOU GOT THE DEVELOPER YOU THINK YOU CAN WORK WITH. AND THEN WE'RE PRESENTED A PROJECT TO GO FORWARD THAT THAT'S THE GAP. SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS PIECE IS PREVENTING. I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO HAVE A COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT COULD COULD BE TWEAKED AND UPDATED. AND WE DO HAVE ELEMENTS OF RESILIENCY THAT AREN'T PRESENT IN THERE THAT WE COULD BE TUNING TO, AND WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT WITH THIS, WITH THE POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I DON'T SEE HOW THIS PREVENTS US FROM DOING ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESSED HERE. NOW, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US GETTING A PROJECT AND BEING TOLD, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW DRAINAGE YET, BUT WE'RE VOTING ON DRAINAGE. THAT THAT IS MY ISSUE. BUT THAT'S NOT THIS. THIS IS THIS IS US TRYING TO, IN MY MIND. AND JUST TO ADD ONE MORE PIECE, MY MIND GOES TO IF WE IF WE IF WE PUT SOMETHING OUT MORE SPECIFIC, YOU'RE GOING TO GET LESS BITE BECAUSE NOW THE DEVELOPER IS LOSING A BIT OF AUTONOMY VERSUS YOU KEEP IT OPEN ENDED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CREATIVE DISCRETION AND FINANCIAL DISCRETION TO THE DEVELOPER.

THEY HAVE. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IS TO GIVE A SENSE OF DIRECTION. IF WE IF WE MANAGE THE PROJECT DOWN TO EVERY BIT AN ELEMENT, THEN TO ME, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL GET ANYONE THAT WANTS TO TAKE THE PROJECT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE OPINION OF THE CITY MANAGER. SHE DEALS WITH DEVELOPERS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORESEE US JUST THAT TURNING INTO A SOPHISTICATED WAY OF PROLONGING ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY. AND THE STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE WE HAVE AS A CITY VERSUS THE COUNTY IS WE'RE NOT TEARING DOWN. WE'RE NOT TEARING DOWN TREES AND FORESTRY. WE'RE BUILDING ON AN ABANDONED CHURCH AND AN ABANDONED BANK. SO TO YOUR TO IT'S THE FLIP SIDE OF IT IS THIS IS VALUABLE PROPERTY.

AND TO LET IT SIT FOR ANOTHER YEAR WHILE WE GO BACK AND I SAY, GO BACK BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE PLANS, GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY TO ASK AGAIN. WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE HERE IS, I THINK JUST IS WE NEED TO HAVE A FORWARD LOOKING VISION AND BE MORE BE HAVE MORE LANDMARK STOPS WHERE WE ARE CONSULTING THE COMMUNITY WHERE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I FEEL WE'RE MISSING. I DISAGREE. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, THIS IS A HARD SITUATION BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A PARCEL ON 19 THAT REALLY WARRANTS SOME MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THAT WHOLE CORNER THERE LOOKS GREAT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE EYESORE NEXT DOOR. SO TO ME, YOU KNOW, ANY DEVELOPER IS GOING TO SEE THAT AND KNOW THAT WHERE THE, WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, A COLLEGE THERE AND A HOTEL THERE AND A PARKING GARAGE, THAT PARCEL IS VERY VALUABLE. AND I'VE GOT A AND I'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE WHAT CINDY'S SAYING. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS OF HOW WE HANDLE THIS RIVER ROAD PARCEL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH HER.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT SOME BIG FIVE STORY BUILDING THERE, BUT WHICH I KNOW IS NOT WHAT WE WOULD WANT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS TO THE AREA. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY MITIGATE THAT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMEBODY IN THAT CAN GIVE SOME IDEAS. BUT I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH PATEL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT WHERE WE'RE NOT KIND OF SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON. AND I KIND OF THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE LIKE, HEY, WE GOT SOMEBODY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PUTTING HERE. VOTE ON IT. YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO HERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO APPEASE EVERYBODY, BUT WE GOT TO DO WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE AREA. AND I THINK THIS IS A CRUCIAL PIECE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST NOT SURE IF WE SIT AROUND AND WAIT ON IT IF THAT'S GOING TO REALLY BENEFIT US. YOU

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YOU KNOW, WE STILL MAKE THE DECISION. SO I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. I JUST THINK IT DOESN'T HELP US, ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTS SEEING IT, JUST SITTING THERE DOING NOTHING. I, I THINK I THINK NO ONE UP HERE IS WRONG AT ALL. I THINK EVERYBODY IS RIGHT ON. I THINK IT'S A BALANCE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. WHAT'S A NEEDED THERE, WHAT'S GOING TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES, WHAT'S GOING TO WHAT'S GOING TO YOU KNOW. HELP WITH THE OVERALL ENVIRONMENT OF THE CITY. WE CAN GIVE PARAMETERS UNTIL THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AND WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY WITH THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE, WHAT STAFF WOULD LIKE. THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET JUST NEVER GOING TO GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT. IT'S JUST NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. AS FOR THE WORLD, AND TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. BECAUSE THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS IF, IF IF WE'RE WANTING EVERYTHING AND NO ONE'S ABLE TO DO IT, DEVELOPER IS NOT ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN THE GAME TO MAKE MONEY.

OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO SIT ON THIS PROPERTY EVENTUALLY, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WE'RE GOING TO SELL IT. AND THEN WHOEVER, WHOEVER BUYS THAT PROPERTY IS GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT. AND WE HAVE NO SAY.

SO IF IT'S WITHIN THE ZONING AND IT FITS THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT'S WHAT'S ALLOWED THERE, THEN THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT TO HERE.

WE HAVE ABILITY TO, TO MAKE IT WHAT WE WANT AND GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN OUT OF IT TO BENEFIT THE WHOLE CITY. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROS AND CONS OF BOTH SIDES OF THAT. AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO BE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A BALANCE. ALL RIGHT. I'LL FLOAT A MOTION AND SEE IF YOU LIKE IT.

I'LL APPROVE THE REQUEST. BUT I'D LIKE THAT REQUEST TO INCORPORATE THAT PROPERTY, THE PIECE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THE HIGHWAY 19 PROPERTY. AND LET'S PUT ALL THREE PIECES OUT AS SEPARATE PARCELS. AND LET'S GO OUT AND SAY, COME ON NOW, LOOK WHAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE IF YOU WANT A DEVELOPER TO DO SOMETHING, MY EXPERIENCE FROM THE CBD WORLD IS THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN A PROJECT THAT'S SMALL. AND IF FOLKS ARE GOING TO TURN DOWN THE VOLUME OF THAT PROPERTY, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE PLACES WHERE SOME OF THAT DENSITY CAN OCCUR. AND IF THE TRADE OFF MIGHT BE LOOK AT THIS BEAUTIFUL PARK ON THE BY THE BOAT RAMP WITH A LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL AND SOMETHING FUN FOR EVERYBODY. AND LOOK HOW WE'VE WORKED OUT THE TRAFFIC FOR A BIGGER VOLUME OF PRODUCT. BUT BUT TO MY COLLEAGUE OVER HERE WHO'S SAYING, I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO PUT ANY MORE TRAFFIC ON RIVER ROAD. WELL, HELL, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO. AND THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. SO WE CAN'T JUST KEEP RUNNING THIS GREAT IDEA AND THEN COME BACK AND PULL BACK FROM IT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STRENGTH TO SAY, THIS IS HOW IT WILL WORK. AND WE WANT MORE WALKABILITY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FORCED. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PUSHING A CONVENIENT, COMFORTABLE PLACE. WE CAN COME. AND IF YOU DO A TRAFFIC COUNT ON RIVER ROAD COMING FROM NORTH RIVER ROAD, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT WE'RE ANYWHERE NEAR THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE, WHICH WE HEARD EARLIER, SO WE CAN'T PANIC. BUT I WOULD SAY MY MOTION IS GO AHEAD OUT, GET SOMEONE TO PUT THESE PROPERTIES UP FOR SALE. WHAT ARE WE HOLDING BACK ON ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES? WHY ARE WE WAITING? AND AND LET'S FIND OUT WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP. MAYBE SOMEONE WANTS TO DEVELOP THAT AND IT'LL GET OUR INTEREST, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO THE POINT. TO YOUR POINT, YOU WANT TO MOVE, MOVE. WELL, YOU WANT TO PUT IT ALL ON THIS BASKET. WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE OTHER TWO BASKETS? I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S IT WAS THE COUNCIL MEMBER, ALTMAN, WHO SAID WE NEED TO GET CRA GOING AGAIN. WE NEED TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON. AND I DON'T THINK TAKING ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. ALL RIGHT. MY MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR IF I CAN GET A SECOND, JUST MOVE TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION. AS IT IS.

THAT'S NOT A SECOND, IS THERE? NO SECOND? WELL, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT PROPERTIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY. I'M TALKING THE PARCEL THERE. I'M TALKING THE THREE PARCELS AT THE BOAT RAMP, AND I'M TALKING THE LAND THAT WE OWN ON ON THE RIVER WITH THE COUNTY, WHICH MAY NOT WORK. SO WE'LL PULL THAT OFF BECAUSE THE COUNTY OWNS PART OF IT. I'M TALKING THESE TWO PIECES BECAUSE THEY FIT TOGETHER, AS WE KNOW FROM THE DISCUSSION, WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? AND, AND UNTIL WE GET SOME CONCEPT OF WHAT BOTH OF THOSE

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SEPARATE FROM EACH OTHER. THAT'S FINE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO COME TOGETHER. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UP THERE? AND I'M TALKING THE THREE PARCELS, OUR CITY PROPERTY, THE MOUNT MAYOR AND THE POTTER PIECE. AND AND I'M SAYING THAT WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH MR. ORBACH ABOUT THAT PROPERTY WE BOUGHT. AND UNDER THE BRIDGE WALKWAY, AND HE HE HAD SOMETHING IN HIS EYES THAT HE DESIGNED. AND IF WE WANT TO GIVE IT A SHOT, WE GOT TO LET SOMEBODY TAKE A SHOT AT IT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD NOT SAY, OKAY, THIS PIECE AND THAT PIECE OR BOTH PIECES, AND MAYBE WE'LL GET A PROJECT ON BOTH SIDES, OR MAYBE WE'LL GET ONE PROJECT. BUT WE HAD THIS. YOU REMEMBER THE DRAWING HE DID WHERE HE SHOWED THE THE RESIDENTIAL GROUP COMING AND WALKING UNDER AND COMING TO THE PARK AND NOT HAVING TO CROSS THE STREET AND ALL THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T GET A SECOND. WE DIDN'T GET A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A NEW MOTION. THE TWO PIECES THAT ARE NEARLY CONJOINED AS SEPARATE PARCELS FOR SALE SEPARATE, SEPARATE GROUPS OF PARCELS UNDER ONE. GIVE THEM BOTH TO THE SAME PERSON AND GO OUT FOR RFPS ON THAT, INCLUDE ONE OR BOTH PARCELS IN A RESPONSE, PARCEL ONE AND PARCEL TWO. NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT NOT PARCELS. I'M TALKING ABOUT ASSEMBLAGE ONE AND ASSEMBLAGE TWO. SO THIS AND THE BOAT RAMP ASSEMBLAGE ONE IS ONE, TWO, THREE. IT'S ALL OF THOSE. YEAH. AND THEN THE BOAT RAMP AND THE BOAT RAMP IS THE PROPERTY IS A SEPARATE ASSEMBLAGE. I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT IN AT ALL. WE'RE TALKING YOU'RE SAYING AS AN OPTION NOT REQUIRED. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN PUTTING ONE. I'M ONE THAT'S ONE AND ONE. SO LET'S SEE WHAT THE OTHER THREE ARE. YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE SAYING AS AN OPTION. YEAH. AS AN OR. WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO START ENVISIONING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE WHILE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE VISITING HAPPENING AT THE OTHER SPACE? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

OKAY. IF IT'S AN OR I'LL SECOND, I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAND TIE WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE ON ITS EITHER OR BOTH. HOWEVER, WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OUT. BIGGER DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO WANT TO DEVELOP BOTH PARCELS. THEY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT WATERFRONT WITH RESIDENTIAL OUT CLOSER TO HIGHWAY 19. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL THERE TO BOAT RAMP. AND WE HAVE AN ACCESS POINT THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO US BY OUR FORMER I'M DONE. DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC OPINION ON THIS? I THINK WE DO THAT. I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANYBODY GETTING UP. WELL, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A SECOND. SO WE'RE KIND OF IN DISCUSSION.

I'D LIKE TO JUST PUT IT OUT. WE DID HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THESE. SO WITH THE WITH WITH WITH THAT MOTION, DOES STAFF HAVE ANY ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THERE ANY ISSUES WE'RE NOT SEEING YOU KNOW. YEAH. ANY ANY INPUT ON THAT. IS THIS STILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? THE SECOND ITEM WILL JUMPED IN RIGHT AFTER CINDY. NO NOBODY ELSE GOT TO COMMENT. SO NO, I DID, I ASKED AND NO ONE ELSE GOT UP. WASN'T ASKED LOUD ENOUGH FOR ANYBODY TO HEAR IT THOUGH. SO. I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET PROPOSALS FROM DEVELOPERS. IF WE IF WE'RE THAT SPECIFIC. BUT THEY'LL RESPOND IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT IN OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, WE'RE NOT TELLING ANYBODY WHAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD. THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A PROPOSAL OF WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST SUITED FOR THE PROJECT, AND THAT IT WILL JUST BE YOUR DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL, IF YOU ALLOW US TO LET IT IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

SO IT'S REALLY JUST YOUR DECISION AS TO WHAT YOU THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. I JUST THINK THAT AT THIS POINT THERE'S CITY NO, NO ONE AND NO ONE'S APPROACHED ME AT ALL THAT WANTS THE BOAT RAMP TO BE LEFT TO SOME OTHER DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT I'M NOT WANT TO ADD THIS TO THIS PROJECT AT ALL, PERIOD. WELL, YOU'RE NOT ADDING IT BY MY MOTION WHEN YOU SAID IT'S AN OPTION FOR THEM. YEAH.

I DON'T WANT IT EVEN TO BE IN THE IN THE WE'VE GOT TO START THINKING ABOUT IT, SO THE ONLY THING THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH ADDING THAT I'M A DEVELOPER, MY THINKING IS MAXIMIZE MY SPACE. SO THAT'S GOING TO LEAD ME TO THINK THAT A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO GET RID

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HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? SO THAT'S THE ONLY THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN ABOUT THAT BOAT RAMP THERE AND A DEVELOPER, BECAUSE THEN THEY MIGHT WANT TO MOVE IT DOWN FURTHER TO DEVELOP THE CORNER. SO THAT'S MY THAT'S MY BIG ISSUE WITH THAT, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE SPACE MAXIMIZES WATERFRONT. WELL, THAT WAIT TILL I'M OUT OF OFFICE AND SO IS THE OTHER GUY. AND THEN YOU'RE OUT AND HE'S OUT, AND THEN THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY WANT. SO WHY DON'T WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM? THAT'S MY POINT. I THINK THAT ALTMAN'S POINT, THIS GIVES THEM MORE FLEXIBILITY, THE OR GIVES THEM MORE FLEXIBILITY IN MAXIMIZING THEIR SPACE TO HAVE MORE TO WORK WITH, WITH THIS ASSEMBLAGE THAN IF THEY WERE ONLY WORKING WITH ASSEMBLAGE TO, TO BEGIN WITH, WHICH ASSEMBLAGE TWO IS EVEN SEEN HERE. BUT I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT NOTHING HAPPENS TO THE USE OR THE ABILITY OF THE BOAT RAMP, BUT THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BECOME PART OF AN AMENITY, A PUBLIC AMENITY, WHATEVER THAT THAT I THINK WOULD ENHANCE THAT.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK FOR US FOR INCENTIVES, AND WE HAVE MONEY TO HELP TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO ASK FOR IT? WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT OUT. WE HAVE A NUMBER WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON IT. ARE WE GOING TO SAY WE WE FOUND OUT A LOT OF PEOPLE. THIS WAS PACKED WHEN IT CAME TO THE BOAT RAMP. SO WELL, LET'S JUST SOLVE IT NOW AND SAY NO, NO CHANGE TO THE BOAT RAMP OR ITS USEFULNESS. THEN WE'RE DONE. WE DON'T HAVE TO. I DON'T I DON'T EVEN SEE IT IN THE. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET A DEVELOPER TO HIT THOSE THOSE PIECES OF PROPERTY, GIVE IT TO. NOW, IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND THEY SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY DOWN THE STREET, WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. THAT'S FINE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT IN THIS PROPOSAL IN THIS, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR RSV. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW MUCH.

I JUST DON'T SEE HOW MUCH ALTMAN'S PROPOSAL CHANGES FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED BY THE ECONOMIC, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY MANAGER MONTHS AGO THAT DID CONNECT THIS WITH THE WITH THE BOAT RAMP AND IN THAT IN THAT VISION INCLUDED THE BOAT RAMP AS STAYING AND HAVING SOME SORT OF BOARDWALK. IF ANYTHING, THIS IS A BIT OF A CHANGE FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED SOME TIME AGO IN THE STAFF'S MAKING THE INDICATION THAT IT'S BECAUSE OF OR NOT THE CHANGE. BUT THE STAFF IS SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT. IT'S TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS. WE'VE GONE FROM WHAT'S WHAT'S THE BEST HERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HINDERING STAFF'S ABILITY TO ATTRACT THE DEVELOPER? VERSUS ARE WE STAYING TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT FOR THESE PROPERTIES? AND I THINK THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS. AND THE MOTION ANSWERS THE SECOND QUESTION. BUT ARE WE ARE WE NOW MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR FOR FOR STAFF? NO. WE DISCHARGE, GET MOVING. YOU YOU DIDN'T WANT ME TO DELAY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE DOING. YOU SAY, LET'S MOVE. WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER BECAUSE. SO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS THE ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS WE'RE NOT GETTING WE'RE NOT GETTING HITS ON THE THE LISTING. AND SO THAT'S THAT. THIS IS WHAT THAT WAS TRYING TO DO. AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECONNECTING THIS TO THE BOAT RAMP. TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT THIS WAS ALREADY OUT. THIS LISTING WAS ALREADY OUT. YOU VOTED FOR THIS THE FIRST TIME. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND. NOW THERE'S A DRASTIC CHANGE, BUT ORIGINALLY WE VOTED TO DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.

SO I GET THE CHANGE. CAN I GET DAVE'S FEEDBACK ON THIS? SINCE WE'RE WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH UP HERE. I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF YOUR FORTE, SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR YOUR OPINION. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I APPRECIATE IT. I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS MISS MANN'S HIRED ME IS BECAUSE I HAVE A REAL ESTATE BACKGROUND. I'VE DONE THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THE ISSUE I SEE WITH PUTTING THEM OUT TOGETHER, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS, THAT ONE DEVELOPER ISN'T GOING TO LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE AND SAY, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO DO A RESTAURANT ALONG THE RIVER AND BUILD AN APARTMENT BUILDING OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE. THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS. I GET WHAT DIRECTOR ALTMAN IS TALKING ABOUT ON THE RIVER PARCELS, AND I THINK THE RIVER PARCELS. THIS IS NOT A RIVER PARCEL. THIS IS A 19 PARCEL. THE RIVER PARCELS. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LET'S GET A MASTER PLAN ON SWETMAN ALL THE WAY UP TO 19. THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THIS IS NOT THAT.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROPERTY THAN THE RIVER TYPE. THE ONES YOU WANT TO PROTECT MORE THAN THAN THIS PIECE. AND I THINK WE'LL GET MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE WERE WE WERE A LITTLE UNCLEAR WHEN WE FIRST WENT OUT. EVERYTHING WAS A LITTLE DISJOINTED. I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY. I HOPE WE WILL, AND I THINK THEY'LL COME UP WITH A VERY INTERESTING PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY WITH, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE

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DO I HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSAL, BRIAN? YES. SO? SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PARCEL, BUT WITH THE INTENT WITH BY THE TIME WE HAVE OUR NEXT CRA MEETING, THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSAL TO PUT THE RIVER ROAD PROJECT OUT THERE. THE BOAT RAMP. IS THAT POSSIBLE? OH, YEAH, I CAN DO IT. I JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THE RIVER ROAD PROPERTY IS READY YET. THAT'S PERSONAL OPINION. I DON'T THINK IT'S READY YET. I THINK WE NEED TO DESIGN IT.

MAYBE FIGURE SOMETHING OUT ON RIVER ROAD. CAN WE SET A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THAT? OKAY, WELL, LET'S JUST WORK ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. YOU LOST YOUR SECOND TO TRY AGAIN. MOVE, MOVE TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF. DO YOU HAVE WHAT IS YOUR WORK ON IT? I JUST WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ONE THAT WE'VE GOT. THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER MOTION.

THERE WAS NO SECOND APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF. SECOND. YEAH. SO DOES YOUR WHAT'S YOUR PROPOSAL THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. SECOND. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, THE SUBSTANCE WE WE GOT DONE DOING ALL THE LEGISLATIVE STUFF.

THERE WAS MULTIPLE PUBLIC COMMENTS MADE. SO JUST REAL QUICK, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS? NO, THEY ALREADY MADE THEM. I KNOW I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THEM. NO. BUT YOU'VE ALREADY OPENED UP THIS ITEM. OKAY. NEVER MIND THEN TWO QUICK THINGS. THE THE, THE FIVE STORY, THE FIVE STORY I THAT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT.

SO NOT, NOT WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER VOTING FOR. AND TWO, THERE WAS A COMMENT UP HERE ABOUT RIVER ROAD TRAFFIC AND IT I WAS VERY CLEAR THAT I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THE DUMPING OF US. 19 TRAFFIC ON THE RIVER ROAD. SO ANY TYPE OF REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS THAT CREATES AN ARTERY FOR US. 19 TO AVOID MAIN STREET IS WHAT I'M AGAINST. IF THERE'S SOME WAY FOR TOWNHOMES TO BE ON RIVER ROAD TO PUT SOME TRAFFIC ON RIVER ROAD, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN GIVING US 19 TRAFFIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO CURB MAIN STREET, VERY FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES. AND THEN JUST THE THIRD THING, I THINK A LOT OF THIS CONVERSATION UP HERE ORIGINATES BECAUSE THERE WAS A REVERSAL FROM THE CITY ADMINISTRATION WHERE WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED THE FIRST TIME, THEY WERE CONNECTED PROJECTS. SO IF THE CITY MANAGER IS CHANGING IS SAYING, LOOK, THE VISION NEEDS TO BE SEPARATE NOW, THAT'S FINE, BUT ARTICULATING THAT UP FRONT WOULD HAVE HELPED, I THINK, SOME OF THIS BECAUSE THE LAST PRESENTATION WE GOT VERY MUCH HAD THESE TWO THINGS CONNECTED UNDERNEATH THE FORMER ECONOMIC DIRECTOR. SO I GET THE COUNCILMAN ALTMAN'S POINT. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY I, I NAY NAY.

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YEAH. I AM SO GOOD, BRIAN. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. ONLY TO SAY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE

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WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT. THAT, TO ME, IS WHY I WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF DENSITY WE WOULD HAVE. AND THEN THIRDLY, TO HEAR FROM THE ECONOMIC DIRECTOR THAT HE HAS DESCRIBED THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT HE EXPECTS TO HAPPEN, BUT HE'S REALLY TRYING TO HELP TO SAY, IF WE KEEP THE RESIDENTIAL OUT BY THE HIGHWAY, THE COMMUTERS CAN GO TO THE SOUTH. SO ANYONE WHO WORKS THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY WORK IN SPRING HILL, SO WHEN THEY COME OUT, THEY CAN GO THAT WAY. THERE HAS TO BE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT'S COMING WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMES.

AND IT DOESN'T STOP ME FROM ASKING, CAN WE GET SOME CONSULTANTS OTHER THAN JUST SOMEONE WHO'S WORKED IN REAL ESTATE OR DOING THESE THINGS ALL YOUR LIFE, WHICH I APPRECIATE THAT CAN TELL US WHAT'S THE TRAFFIC FLOW GOING TO LOOK LIKE? IS THERE MORE ASSEMBLAGE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT CIRCUMSTANCES MAY ARISE SO WE CAN MAKE SURE IT'S A GOOD PROJECT? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, THE CITY ATTORNEY, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE DEVELOPER ALLOWS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO A CLOSE SHADE SESSION WITH CITY MANAGER TO DISCUSS INNER DEALINGS WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT ARE PROPRIETARY INFORMATION. I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD JUST BE REAL ESTATE DEALS, THAT THERE'S NO EXEMPTION FROM THE SUNSHINE LAW FOR THAT TYPE OF DISCUSSION. SO WHAT WHERE DOES THE PRIVATE WHERE IS THE PUBLIC PRIVATE? WHERE, WHERE DOES THE SHADE LAW APPLY TO PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP CONVERSATIONS? I DON'T THINK THERE'S I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ON THAT PARTICULAR NOTE. I KNOW THERE IS A STATUTE THAT DOESN'T GET A LOT OF USE THAT I DON'T RECOMMEND USING, AND THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. WELL, WHAT I'M GETTING AT, AND I COULD ADVISE YOU ON THAT IF YOU'D LIKE. I NEED TO REACQUAINT MYSELF WITH IT BECAUSE I FIND FLAWS IN MOST OF THESE SHADE SESSION STATUTES, BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE YOU TO KEEP A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT JUST END UP BEING MORE PROBLEMATIC. MY POINT IS, IF THERE'S INSTRUMENTS IN WHICH THIS COUNCIL CAN HAVE MORE, BECAUSE THE THE IMPRESSION I GOT TONIGHT IS BECAUSE WE DID THIS. NOW A DEVELOPER HAS FULL IS IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT AND WE HAVE NO NEGOTIATING ABILITY. SO IF THAT SEEMS TO BE IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF INSTRUMENTS TO ALLOW THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE, SAY, STILL, THEN PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THEM, I DON'T THINK THIS PREVENTS US FROM WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS PERSONALLY. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.