[1) Call to Order - Roll Call]
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ROLL CALL. MAYOR DAVIS HERE. DEPUTY MAYOR MURPHY. LET ME TURN THEM ON. YES! I'M HERE, COUNCILMAN ALTMAN HERE. COUNCILMAN JONAS HERE. CITY MANAGER MAN'S HERE. COUNCILMAN
[2.a) Discussion on Special Events]
BUTLER IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE. QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, AS INDICATED BY THE MAYOR, THE PURPOSE OF OUR MEETING THIS EVENING IS TO DISCUSS A COUPLE OF THINGS RELATED TO SPECIAL EVENTS. FIRST AND AND FOREMOST, WE WANT TO EVALUATE THE FORMULA BY WHICH WE SUPPORT OUR LOCAL SPECIAL EVENTS WITH IN-KIND SUPPORT. AND ADDITIONALLY, WE WANT TO REVIEW WITH DISCUSSION THE FUNDING RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2526, IN-KIND SUPPORT FOR OUR FOUR MAJOR RECOMMENDATIONS. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO. AND I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU, MR. MAYOR, TO DETERMINE I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS. WELL, WE HAVE A POWERPOINT. YES. WHICH WILL PRESENT TO YOU OUR RESEARCH, WHICH WE'VE CONDUCTED OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING THE SAME FUNDING FORMULA SINCE 2014, IN THE CITY, FOR ALL SPECIAL EVENTS. AND WE THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS THERE WOULD BE SOME BENEFIT AT LOOKING AT SOME OTHER MODELS. AND SO WE WE MEANING KEVIN TRAPP IN LARGE PART OUR PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, CANVAS CLEARWATER, TARPON SPRINGS, SAFETY HARBOR AND OLDSMAR TO SEE WHAT THEY DID IN THE EVENT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LEARN SOME THINGS FROM THEM ABOUT HOW THEY SUPPORTED THEIR LOCAL, NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. AND HE'S DONE A FINE JOB OF DOING THAT. AND SO I WANTED HIM TO PRESENT THIS EVENING HIS FINDINGS IN THE EVENT THAT YOU FOUND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO YOU FOR IMPLEMENTATION, SO THAT WE COULD FURTHER SUPPORT AND EQUALIZE THE BENEFIT THAT WE PROVIDE TO THOSE THAT, IN THE END, PROVIDE BENEFIT TO OUR RESIDENTS AND MEMBERS OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. KEVIN.THANK YOU, MISS MANNS, AND GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS. I HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED AND I'LL GO THROUGH IT. AND IF AT ANY POINT YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. SO WE'LL GET STARTED HERE. SO THIS PRESENTATION WE IDENTIFIED FOUR OBJECTIVES THAT THE PRESENTATION GOES OVER. AND JUST TO GO OVER THOSE THE FIRST AND THESE ARE IN ORDER OF THE PRESENTATION DEFINING THE EVENT TYPE OF CATEGORIES AND FUNDING OPTIONS FOR FUTURE YEARS. WE THEN WANT TO PROVIDE AND REVIEW OUR EXISTING FEES. GO OVER THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE COMPLETED OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, AND THEN ALSO SOLIDIFY HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE CURRENT YEAR REQUEST THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUT THERE. SO BASED ON MY RESEARCH, MULTIPLE CITIES AND AS WE CURRENTLY OPERATE, WE HAVE IN-KIND SUPPORT AND RECOMMENDING CATEGORIZING OUR EVENTS. AND THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I'LL GO INTO DETAIL ON ALL THESE AS WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION. SO CO-SPONSORED EVENTS COMMUNITY EVENTS AND THEN CITY RUN EVENTS.
AND THE REASON FOR THE CITY RUN EVENTS, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY RUNS EVENTS AS WELL. SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES ARE LIGHT UP THE NIGHT, THE VETERANS DAY PARADE. SO REALLY THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS THAT WE GO THROUGH. AND ON AVERAGE WE HAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN IF YOU INCLUDE CITY EVENTS, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 35 EVENTS, CITY RUN EVENTS BEING THE SMALLEST OF THE OF THE FEW, WE TYPICALLY ARE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 5 TO 8 DEPENDING ON THE YEAR.
OBVIOUSLY, WE ADDED VETERANS DAY AND WE COULD ADD FUTURE ONES, AND WE JUST WANT TO ALSO USE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT IT TO YOU GUYS AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING, SO THAT WE HAVE WELL ADVANCED NOTICE AND WE INTEND TO DO THAT PRIOR TO BUDGET CONVERSATION SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE WELL ADVANCED NOTICE AND WE CAN PREPARE BUDGETARILY FOR THAT. THE FIRST IS CO-SPONSORED EVENT REQUIREMENTS. THERE'S A PLETHORA OF REQUIREMENTS THAT
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THESE TYPE OF EVENTS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. AND I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS. THESE ARE REALLY A LARGE EVENT. SO ESTIMATED ATTENDANCE OF OVER 5000 OR MORE OVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE EVENT. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS THAT LAST ANYWHERE FROM THREE DAYS TO NINE DAYS. SO INCLUDING IN IN THAT TIME FRAME IS FOR THE NOTE OF OVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE EVENT. ORGANIZERS MUST HAVE A GOOD STANDING WITH US AS A CITY. NO OUTSTANDING INVOICES, CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS. WE ALSO WANTED TO PUT IN THERE FLORIDA SPORTS COAST. IT'S NOT.IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT IS PREFERRED. THE SUPPORT OF THEM WILL HELP IN THEIR APPLICATION PROCESS. AS WE'RE GROWING CITY AND WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT THESE TYPE OF EVENTS, WE WANT THE SUPPORT OF FLORIDA SPORTS COAST AND WE ALSO EVENTS. WE HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS THAT ARE REOCCURRING EVERY YEAR, BUT WE DO OCCASIONALLY GET SOME NEW EVENTS THAT ARE LARGE EVENTS FOR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT TWO YEARS OF EVENT EXPERIENCE IS ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS, NOT BEING THAT SOMEBODY BRAND NEW COULDN'T SUPPORT A LARGE EVENT.
HOWEVER, FOR US AS A CITY TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING, WE FELT THAT PUTTING A TIMEFRAME ON THAT WAS IMPORTANT, THAT LIKE, OKAY, YOU DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE WENT FROM DROPPING THE BALL IN RAILROAD SQUARE TO DROPPING THE BALL IN GRANT, AND THAT'S REALLY THE SECOND YEAR.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION TO THIS. WE'RE JUST MAKING PROPOSALS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THEY'RE ALL SUBJECT TO YOUR APPROVAL. YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN I HAVE QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU GET SOME EVENT, SMALL EVENT FIRST YEAR USED TO. CERTAINLY.
AWESOME. OKAY. I WILL ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT AT THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, OF COURSE. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING MAYBE SOME. MAYBE SOME. ABOUT A YEAR RESTRICTION MUST BE ESTABLISHED IN VANCOUVER ORGANIZING THIS.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT KARL WAS, I THINK WAS NOT NECESSARILY MANY YEARS. OKAY, KEVIN. AND AT THE BOTTOM WE ALSO CO-SPONSORED EVENT OBVIOUSLY IS A VERY LARGE EVENT. IT'S BENEFICIAL TO OUR CITY AS IT'S BEEN MENTIONED. SO ANYTHING IN AN ADVERTISEMENT THE CITY LISTED AS CO-SPONSORED TO PROMOTE WHERE WHERE THE EVENT IS OCCURRING AND TO CONTINUE TO DRAW ATTRACTION TO THE AREA, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE IF SOMEBODY QUALIFIES AS A CO-SPONSORED EVENT. AND THIS SPEAKS TO THE PROCEDURES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED OVER THE YEARS, IS IS DEFINED IN A TIMELINE FOR APPLICATIONS TO BE SUBMITTED. I LISTED WE LISTED FIVE UP THERE RANKED IN ORDER OF RECOMMENDATION. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE APRIL 1ST TO 30TH WINDOW FOR APPLICATIONS FROM EVENT ORGANIZERS WHO MEET THOSE QUALIFICATIONS IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION. THAT GIVES CITY STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE APPLICATIONS AS THEY EXIST, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN FRONT OF IT AS WE ENTER INTO THE BUDGET SEASON, AND IT ALLOWS US TO PRESENT IT TO YOU GUYS. SO YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT TYPE OF FUNDING SOURCES YOU GUYS MAY WANT TO PROVIDE TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING APRIL 1ST, APRIL 30TH FOR WHEN IS THE EVENT? SO FOR THOSE WINDOWS WOULD BE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO BETWEEN APRIL 1ST AND APRIL 30TH, THEY WOULD BE SUBMITTING FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THIS PROBLEM IN THE PAST, PEOPLE PUTTING IN 30 OR 60 DAYS BEFORE BECAUSE IT WASN'T BEING ACCEPTED BY BY YOUR ORGANIZATION, IT WOULD BE FOR THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR ANY TIME AT LEAST THAT OUT. YES. OKAY. RIGHT. AND AS MENTIONED, THEY'RE LISTED IN ORDER OF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THOSE ARE UP THERE FOR YOUR FOR YOUR REFERENCE, WE WOULD REVIEW AFTER THEY'VE TURNED IN, WE WOULD REVIEW THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS BASED ON CONVERSATION TONIGHT. AND WE'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU GUYS FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND APPROVAL. ALSO IN THIS CATEGORY, DETERMINING WHAT FEES WE WANT TO WAIVE OR CHARGE LISTED HERE, APPLICATION FEES AND EVENT FEES, WHICH IS A HUGE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. DETERMINING AS A GROUP WHICH FEES WE'RE APPLYING TO THESE ACCOUNTS. AND JUST FOR CONTEXT AND REFERENCE, IF I APPLIED THIS TO LAST YEAR, THESE WOULD BE ALL THE EVENTS THAT WOULD HAVE QUALIFIED. YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THERE ANYWHERE FROM BIKE FEST TO TRICK OR TREAT, DOWNTOWN TO CHASCO FIESTA AND THE STREET PARADES. SO THOSE ARE AGAIN APPLYING
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THAT SAME METHOD TO LAST YEAR'S. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, NOT THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION. THE NEXT IS COMMUNITY EVENT REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS THE NEXT CATEGORY OF EVENT TYPES. AND AS WE KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LARGE EVENTS. HOWEVER, THERE'S A DECENT AMOUNT OF SMALL EVENTS COME TO MIND AS ONE COMMUNITY. NOW, THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS, WHICH MAY NOT BE 5000 IN ATTENDANCE, BUT THEY HAVE A HUGE COMMUNITY FOLLOWING. SO THAT'S WHAT'S LED US TO DEFINE THIS. WE ATTEMPTED TO CATEGORIZE EVERYTHING, SO ALL EVENTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST FEW YEARS WOULD FALL INTO ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES. SO AS MENTIONED, 500 IN ATTENDANCE OVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE EVENT MUST BE A REGISTERED 501 C3 501 C4 CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THE ORGANIZATION PROVIDES A DIRECT BENEFIT TO THE CITY, AND ALIGNS WITH AT LEAST ONE OF THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLANS, GOALS, AND OBJECTIVES RIGHT THERE. I THINK 501 C6 IS A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, SO YOU MIGHT INVESTIGATE PUTTING THAT IN THERE TOO. OKAY, WE WILL, AND THE EVENT MUST BE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND AGAIN, AS MENTIONED IN THE PAST ONE, WE JUST PUT SOME NOTES OUT THERE THAT AT LEAST FOR ONE YEAR, AN EVENT NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED BY ITSELF. A LOT OF OUR EVENTS, AS MENTIONED, HAVE BEEN REOCCURRING FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, SO THIS WOULD BE VERY FEW, MINIMALLY, THAT WE'D HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS FOR FOR THE ONE YEAR EXCEPTION. BUT WE DID WANT TO NOTE THAT AGAIN, THIS IS PROVIDING SUPPORT TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS. THIS FUNDING REQUEST PROCEDURE WOULD BE SUBMITTING AS PART OF THE SET APPLICATION PROCESS. SO IT WOULD ACCOMPANY A SET APPLICATION PROCESS AND THEY WOULD SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION AGAIN. CITY STAFF WOULD THEN REVIEW THOSE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS. AND IF IF APPROVED TO CERTAIN FEES WOULD BE GRANTED. THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT DETERMINE WHAT FEES TO THOSE EVENTS. WE'RE PROPOSING A 50% APPLICATION FEE CONSIDERING FOR OUR COMMUNITY EVENTS AND THEN STAFFING COSTS AND EVENT FEES, WHICH ARE WHAT'S CHARGED TO ALL EVENTS. SO JUST OPENING THAT UP FOR CONVERSATION AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. SAME THING. THIS IS JUST EXAMPLES OF EVENTS THAT WOULD QUALIFY OR BE CONSIDERED IF WE APPLIED IT TO LAST FISCAL YEAR.YOU CAN SEE ANYTHING FROM RAP RIVER RUN TO THE PARK TO PARK, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND A LOT OF THE MAIN STREET EVENTS. I'LL TOUCH ON THIS BRIEFLY. I MEAN, ALL CITY RUN EVENTS WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT THE CITY OF NEW PORT RICHEY RUNS, AND WE DO MORE THAN JUST LARGE EVENTS IN A CITY. SO ANYTHING THAT THE LIBRARY MAY DO OR THE THE REC CENTER MAY DO, OR ANY OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT MAY NOT MEET THIS, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO PROMOTE AND CONTINUE TO PROGRAM.
THIS WAS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT A LIST TO YOU GUYS IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, SO THAT YOU GUYS COULD PROVIDE FEEDBACK. AND IF THERE'S MULTIPLE EVENTS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO BE CONSIDERED, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT AS WE PRESENT IT. AND AGAIN, JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT, VETERANS DAY CONCERT IN THE PARK SERIES, TOUCH A TRUCK, SPRING FLING. SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE WOULD PRESENT AS A CITY TO, TO THE COMMISSION AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING. NOW WE'LL GO INTO OUR CURRENT SPECIAL EVENTS OVERVIEW AS WE CURRENTLY DO IT, THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE. THERE'S A LOT OF FEES ON THIS ON THESE SLIDES. SO I TRIED TO BREAK IT UP INTO A COUPLE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO READ. AND I WON'T GO LINE BY LINE, BUT I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT A GENERAL FEE. SO OUR GENERAL FEES APPLICATION FEES AS YOU CAN SEE WE BREAK THEM DOWN BETWEEN SMALL EVENT AND MAJOR EVENT. AND THEN ALSO ALCOHOLIC EVENTS. SO THOSE ARE APPLICATION FEES. THEN WE GO INTO WHAT WE CALL PERMIT FEES.
AND THEN THE NEXT IS THE FACILITY FEE. SO WE CHARGE FOR AMPHITHEATER RAILROAD SQUARE CAVALIER SQUARE AND THEN PEACE HALL. THEN WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THEN WE GET INTO OUR DEPARTMENTS, WHICH IS A LOT OF OUR STAFFING, WHICH A LOT OF OUR FEES FOR ESPECIALLY OUR LARGE EVENT COME FROM STAFFING COSTS. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS INSPECTOR FEES, VEHICLE FEES, POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFFING FEES. AS IT BREAKS DOWN THERE, IT'S $57 AN HOUR.
THEN WE'LL GET INTO PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS AND STREETS, WHICH ARE THERE TO SUPPORT THE EVENT. AND THIS IS BROKEN DOWN AGAIN IN STAFFING. AND WE DO ITEMIZE CAN LINERS AND HAND SOAP AND ALSO VEHICLES. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON BOTH STREETS AND PARKS. AND THEN WE HAVE A DAMAGE DEPOSIT THAT WE DO REQUIRE WHICH IS $500 PER DAY. SO BASED ON WHAT WE DO LOOKING AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY DO WAS THE NEXT PHASE THAT WE DID IN THIS PRESENTATION AND MY RESEARCH. SO I WILL JUST PREVENT THAT AS A GENERAL OVERVIEW, AND WE'LL
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HAPPILY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. SO AS MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, WE REVIEWED MULTIPLE LOCAL CITIES. AND THIS IS JUST A SPREADSHEET COMPARING EVERY CITY DOES IT DIFFERENTLY IN REGARDS TO ONE. ONE CITY MAY CALL IT A LICENSE FEE. 1ST MAY CALL IT AN EVENT FEE. WE ITEMIZE OURS VERY MUCH SO. WHERE WE CHARGE FOR PARKS, WE CHARGE FOR STREETS. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, AS BEST AS WE COULD, WE TRIED TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT OUR FEES ARE, WHICH IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION UP ON THE SCREEN ON THE LEFT IS NEW PORT RICHEY. AND AS WE GO ACROSS IS THE DIFFERENT CITIES. SO WE START FROM THE TOP APPLICATION FEE. MOST CITIES HAVE AN APPLICATION FEE. NOT ALL OF THEM DO, BUT THAT'S AN APPLICATION FEE THAT YOU PAY AT THE BEGINNING WHICH WHICH WE APPLY AND OUR RANGE IS 250 TO 500. SO WHETHER YOU QUALIFY AS A SMALL EVENT OR MAJOR EVENT, THAT'S WHAT WE APPLY. AND THAT APPLICATION FEE IS NONREFUNDABLE IN OUR PROCESS FOR ACCEPTING APPLICATION EVENTS, WE TALK WITH THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS TO TALK THROUGH THE EVENT PROCESS. SO WE'RE NOT CASHING THE $250 CHECK OR $500 CHECK WITHOUT AN IDEA THAT THIS MAY FIT THE ORGANIZATION AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO SOMEBODY CALLS THE REC CENTER AND WANTS TO PUT ON AN EVENT. WE WOULD WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY TALK TO THE EVENT COORDINATOR AND WE TALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. WE COLLECT THE APPLICATION FEE AT THE SET MEETING. AND AT THAT POINT WE WE WOULD COLLECT THAT CHECK AND MOVE FORWARD IN THE EVENT PROCESS. AS MENTIONED, THERE'S AN ALCOHOL FEE AND A CITY OF OLDSMAR, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, CHARGES FOR ALCOHOL AT $175. AND THEN WE'LL KEEP GOING DOWN THE LIST. LICENSE FEE SAFETY HARBOR, DUNEDIN AND OLDSMAR, WHICH ARE THE ONES IN THE RIGHT, MY RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THAT'S WHAT THEY THEY HOW THEY CHARGE THEIR EVENTS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT SAFETY HARBOR AND DUNEDIN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN NONPROFIT AND ROAD CLOSURES AS WELL. SO THEY GIVE DIFFERENT PRICE BREAKS BASED ON HOW YOU QUALIFY. SAFETY HARBOR SPECIFICALLY WILL 501 501C WITH ADMISSION FEES AND A NON SAFETY HARBOR STILL NONPROFIT AND THEY WANT TO SUPPORT THAT. SO THEY JUST BREAK IT DOWN BETWEEN THREE CATEGORIES. AND THEY ALSO INCLUDE FOR PROFIT. SO THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE BASED ON THEIR FEES A COUPLE CITIES ALSO INCLUDE SETUP AND TEAR DOWN. SO SOME OF THESE EVENTS THAT ARE LARGER WILL COME IN ON A WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY. AND THEY WOULD BE CHARGED TO SET UP OR TEAR DOWN IF YOU'RE IN SAFETY HARBOR OR DUNEDIN. SO THAT'S SOMETHING IN MY RESEARCH THAT WAS NOT THAT WE CURRENTLY DO NOT DO. IT'S A FLAT, FLAT FEE FOR US WHETHER YOU'RE THERE FOR NINE DAYS OR FOUR DAYS. SO CONSIDERING THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF THIS RESEARCH, AND ALL CITIES HAVE SAFETY CHARGES, SO PD FIRE AND THEN STAFF THAT SUPPORT THE EVENT. AND NOT ALL MUNICIPALITIES HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IF IT'S NOT YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT SO TARPON DOES CHARGE AND YOU ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOU SET UP AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM AND THEY AND THEY CHARGE YOU FOR POLICE SERVICES. AND IF IT'S NOT, IT'S A SHERIFF CHARGE. AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTED IN THERE. AND THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE THERE AS WELL AS FIRE FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. AND THEN WE'LL KEEP GOING DOWN THE LIST. PARK FEES VARIES FOR A LOT OF THEM. GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF THEY HAVE A LICENSE FEE, THEY DON'T CHARGE FOR THE SPECIFIC PARK. THAT'S HOW THEY CHARGE IS THEIR LICENSE FEE. WE WE CHARGE BASED ON THE AMENITIES. SO THE AMPHITHEATER PIECE HALL IS HOW WE CHARGE OUR EVENTS. AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OTHER NOTES, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS, IS HOW WE CURRENTLY CHARGE IN OUR FEE SCHEDULE. AND THEN THE FINAL ITEM IS JUST TO CIRCLE BACK TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED AND HAVE A CONVERSATION AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON HOW WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. AND JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND RECOMMENDED AS IT'S PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN. CHASCO FIESTA 36,000 CHASCO FIESTA. STREET PARADE 10,000, CODY RIVER BIKE FEST 21,000 AND THE HOLIDAY STREET PARADE 13,000, FOR A TOTAL OF 80,000 OF IN-KIND SUPPORT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND WE'RE PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION TO YOU AT THIS TIME AS A REMINDER TO YOU THAT WE STILL NEED TO SOLIDIFY THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE DECISION BY YOU AT A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.AND SO IT'S AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU'RE PREPARED TO DO SO, WE NEED TO FORMALIZE THAT DECISION.
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AND IF YOU ARE PREPARED TO OR WHEN YOU'RE PREPARED TO, WE CAN ADVANCE THAT RECOMMENDATION.AND I'D LIKE TO DO IT AT A COUNCIL MEETING COMING UP PRETTY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I KNOW AT LEAST ONE EVENT HAS ALREADY OCCURRED, AND WE HAVE CHASCO COMING UP PRETTY QUICKLY AND THEY, I'M SURE, WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR IN-KIND CONTRIBUTION WILL BE FROM THE CITY FOR PLANNING PURPOSES. IF YOU WANTED TO BRING IT UP THIS EVENING, WE CAN INTRODUCE IT AS AN EMERGENCY ITEM, OR WE CAN DEFER IT TO YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO, OR YOUR NEXT MEETING ON MARCH 3RD, I SHOULD SAY, WHICH IS ALSO A REGULAR MEETING IDEA.
WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE YOU GIVING A DOLLAR AMOUNT? WOULD YOU HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT? LET'S SAY YOU'RE GIVEN IN-KIND OF $36,000. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT PERCENT OF THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CHARGING? I'M SORRY, WHAT PERCENTAGE WERE CHARGING. WHAT WHAT IS 36,000. WHAT PERCENTAGE IS THAT OF THAT OF THE FEES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE CHARGED? WE'RE GOING TO GIVE I DON'T RECALL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IN OUR I DON'T HAVE THEIR BACKUP IN OUR PACKET. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL FEES ARE ESTIMATED AT. SO I COULD HAVE THAT FOR YOUR MARCH 3RD MEETING. YEAH. BUT I'M JUST THINKING IF YOU, YOU KNOW, STREET PARADE, WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ESTIMATES FOR ALL OF THE FEES.
I'M SAYING I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT, THAT WE COULD DO THAT FOR YOUR MARCH 3RD MEETING. IF IF YOU'D PREFER, IF THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE. WELL, I JUST HAVE TO SAY. YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR RESEARCH AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THE RULES THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED TO US. I JUST WANT TO YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING IT'S IT'S OUR DECISIONS. BUT YOU SURE DO GO INTO GREAT DETAIL TO EXPLAIN WHY WE SHOULD DO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US TO DO. AND SO I WANT TO SAY PUBLICLY, FOR THE RECORD, THAT I ASKED OVER TWO YEARS AGO FOR US TO CONSIDER PROJECTS THAT ARE THE CITY'S HISTORIC PROJECTS, AND THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION AT ALL ABOUT THE HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSIONS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TODAY. FOR EXAMPLE, THE OUTSTANDING INVOICES TO CHASCO FIESTA. YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY IF YOU DON'T PAY THE INVOICE. THAT MAKES SENSE. IF IT'S A PROJECT THAT IT'S A CO-SPONSORED PROJECT, AND IT'S ONE THAT IN WHICH YOU ARE TREATING THE APPLICANT AS BEING A THIRD PARTY WHEN IT COMES TO. AND I DIDN'T SEE IT UP THERE.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE'VE NOW DONE WITH THE 4TH OF JULY, WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE WILL PROBABLY CONSIDER DOING SUCCESSFULLY AS A CITY FOR MAJOR HOLIDAYS AND FOR THE 100 AND SOME YEARS OF THE CHASCO FIESTA. AND LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL RULES THAT WE HAD, I DON'T OBJECT TO ALL THE SMALL CHARGES AND THE EXPENSES AND THE RENTAL OF THE SPACES AND THOSE NORMAL COSTS, BUT THE THE BIG COST IS THE IS THE POLICE COST. AND I'M ALWAYS AT A DIFFICULT POSITION TO TRY TO LIMIT POLICE COSTS WHEN THE POLICE HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO FOR SAFETY. AND SO CONSEQUENTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING LATELY, AND PARTICULARLY THE LAST FEW BIG EVENTS THAT WE'VE HAD, THE CHRISTMAS PARADE BEING ONE OF THEM BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE INCREASED CONCERN ABOUT LARGE CROWDS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING US TO BE MORE CAUTIOUS AND ANXIOUS AND THINGS WE NEVER HAD, LIKE FOLKS UP ON THE ROOF OR, YOU KNOW, DRONES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT NEEDED, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO COMPARTMENTALIZE INTO THREE SECTIONS, SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH BROADER AND A BIGGER PICTURE THAN THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PAST WEEKEND YOU HAD A TWO DAY EVENT, WHICH WAS A QUILT SHOW, AND THEY COLLECTED $10 EACH AS THEY CAME INTO THE DOOR. SO THERE WAS A FEE FOR IT THAT DOESN'T MATCH WITH WHAT YOU JUST RECOMMENDED TO US. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING IF THERE'S A FEE FOR THE PARK. OR YOU DON'T HAVE
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TO HAVE A FEE AT THE LIBRARY, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A FEE AT PIECE HALL, BUT YOU NOW WE HAVE RAILROAD SQUARE THAT'S ABOUT TO OPEN. NOW WE HAVE LIQUOR BEING SOLD IN AREAS THAT ARE CONSUMING MORE AND CREATING MORE REVENUE FOR FOR PROFITS. SO CHASCO FIESTA IS MY EXAMPLE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN IT FOR MANY YEARS AND I'M NOT IN IT NOW. BUT THE OLD RULE SAID THERE WOULD BE NO CHARGES FOR A 501 C3 OR CIVIC ORGANIZATION, WHICH GOES TO THE CHAMBER TYPE ORGANIZATIONS FOR CROWD CONTROL THAT THE CITY OF NEW PORT RICHEY BACK IN THE EARLY DAYS WHEN IT WANTED EVENTS, SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE FOR CROWD CONTROL. THAT'S WHY MY DAD USED TO LEAVE THE OLD DRUGSTORE WITH THE OTHER FOLKS, TO GO OUTSIDE TO SEE THE CAR THAT CAME DOWN THE STREET, TO THINK THERE MIGHT BE A CUSTOMER COMING. SO CROWDS ARE SEEN AS A POSITIVE THING TO OUR TAX BASE, TO OUR TO OUR CITY'S VIBRANCY. AND WHEN I LEFT WHAT WAS NOT ONE OF THE BUSIEST DAYS OF A CHASCO FIESTA, THAT IF YOU IMPOSE THE FEE THAT HASN'T BEEN PAID TO YOU YET, IT WILL LOSE $30,000 FROM LAST YEAR AND $30,000 FROM THE YEAR BEFORE.AND THEN I LEAVE AND GO TO RAILROAD SQUARE, WHERE IT'S A IT'S A WET ZONE, AND I SEE JUST AS MANY POLICEMEN UNTIL 2:00 IN THE MORNING BLOCKING THE ROAD, LETTING THEM OUT, WHICH THEY HAVE TO DO. SO DON'T TAKE ME WRONG. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR POLICE AND YOU DO HAVE IT BUDGETED. AND SO WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AS A CITY. AND WE DO SO WHEN WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THESE IN-KIND CONTRIBUTIONS, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH CHARGING EVERYBODY, EVERY NONPROFIT, A FEE THAT'S LESS THAN. THAT'S IN LINE WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES. BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU, WHEN YOU GET A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE EXPECTING A LARGE CROWD AND YOU DON'T GET IT, OR YOU HAVE A HUGE RAINOUT AND OR ANY MONEY PASSES AWAY, IN THIS CASE, HE WAITED TILL AFTER. BUT PREVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD FOLKS THAT HAVE HAVE BEEN ILL AND NOT SHOWN UP OR COLD WEATHER. WHEN WE HAVE AN EVENT THAT WE KNOW IS A CITY EVENT, THEN IT SHOULD BE A CITY EVENT. AND I HAVE SUGGESTED AND I'M NOT ON THE BOARD ANYMORE, BUT I'VE SUGGESTED THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF FUND FOR ENTERTAINMENT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT ON THE ACTIVITIES IN THE PARK, THE LIBRARY HAS ACTIVITIES BY THE RIVER. YOU'VE GOT ACTIVITIES WITH THE KIDS MOVIES, ANOTHER ONE THIS WEEKEND, AND THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND THE FOLKS ALL COME OUT, BUT THEY DON'T DRINK. SO THE DIFFERENTIAL IS IF YOU'VE GOT ALCOHOL, BUT IF THE ALCOHOL SALES DON'T EVEN COVER THE COST OF ALL OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUIRED, THEN THEN WHAT DO WE DO? WE TELL THE EVENTS DON'T HAVE ALCOHOL BECAUSE YOU'RE LOSING MONEY, BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE ALCOHOL, THEY DON'T GET THE CROWDS THEY WANT. AND SO BOTTOM LINE IS. YOU YOU WHEN THE LAWS CHANGED, WHEN THEY USED TO SAY NO CHARGE FOR CROWD CONTROL, THERE WAS NO ALCOHOL OUT IN THE PARK BACK IN THOSE DAYS. I DON'T THINK BEFORE THAT CHANGED. BUT. IT WORKED. AND NOW THAT YOU HAVE THIS LINE BY LINE EXPENSE, IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT IT HAS BECOME TO GET SPONSORSHIPS. THEY'RE DOWN, AS I'VE UNDERSTAND IN TALKING FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, THE EXCITEMENT OF PUTTING THESE THINGS ON IS TO HAVE BETTER ENTERTAINMENT. THE CITY PUTS ON ENTERTAINMENT. SO YOU'RE GIVING US A LOT OF LINE ITEMS OF $5 HERE AND $10 HERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFICULT DAY FOR ME BECAUSE I JUST LEARNED THAT WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP ABOUT A $900,000 GRANT THAT WE HAD FOR THAT PARK, THAT THAT ATTENUATION POND OUT HERE IN, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE JOB DONE. SO IF WE'RE SPENDING ALL OUR TIME TRYING TO MANAGE AND RAKE IN DOLLARS SO WE CAN AFFORD TO PAY OUR POLICE. IT'S HARD FOR ME. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO THIS, BECAUSE WHAT WE ASKED FOR A WORK SESSION AND YOU MADE A SALES PITCH, YOU KNOW, NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO BE OFFENSIVE. AND IT WAS WELL DONE. AND I RECEIVE IT AND I ACCEPT IT. BUT I HAVE
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TO SAY, THERE ARE SOME EVENTS. 4TH OF JULY, CHRISTMAS PARADE, CHASCO FIESTA, BEEN HERE FOREVER, AND THERE ARE VOLUNTEERS WHO GO ABOUT PUTTING THAT ON AND WHO WILL RAISE THE MONEY TO HELP THE CITY TO DO IT. BUT THESE ARE THESE ARE HELPERS TO THE CITY. THIS IS NOT THE CITY BEING A HELPER TO AN EVENT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE SEPARATE THAT OUT, BECAUSE THE NEXT THING WE HAD IS THE BIKE THING THAT CAME IN RATHER RECENTLY. GREAT, GREAT SUPPORT.EVERYONE LIKED IT, THAT ENJOYED THAT KIND OF THING, EXCEPT THAT NONPROFIT HASN'T DEMONSTRATED TO ME. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY FUNDS COMING BACK INTO THE CITY FROM THE ACTUAL RECEIPTS OF THE MONEY COLLECTED FOR THE CLUBS AND THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT FILLED UP THE STREETS AND CAUSED US TO CLOSE THEM, AND ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO I'M TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC TO SAY THERE ARE CERTAIN EVENTS THAT SHOULD BE EXEMPTED OR SHOULD BE COVERED IN TERMS OF CROWD CONTROL. AND IF THERE ARE COSTS THAT HAVE TO BE PAID, I DON'T THINK THE ORGANIZATION OBJECTS TO IT AND PAYING A REASONABLE FEE AND KNOWING YOU HAVE TO PAY IT, BUT YOU MUDDY IT UP BY CALLING IT IN-KIND. WHEN IN-KIND CONTRIBUTIONS ARE REALLY A BILL THAT YOU WON'T GET TO DO IT THE NEXT YEAR IF YOU DON'T PAY THE BILL, A BILL WOULD BE DETERMINED BY YOU, AS DETERMINED BY WHAT YOU THINK IS NEEDED FOR SAFETY, SO THAT YOU CAN RECOUP THE MONEY FOR A DEPARTMENT THAT'S ON DUTY AROUND THE CLOCK ALL OF THESE DAYS. SO TO ME, WHEN YOU SAY HOW MANY EVENTS THAT WE HAVE, KEVIN, AND HOW WHERE THEY ARE AT AND HOW BROAD THEY ARE, I'M SAYING WE ARE AN EVENT TOWN NOW. AND SO HOW IS IT THAT CERTAIN EVENTS, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE 5000 PEOPLE, OR HOW DO WE DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE REALLY NEED TO SPEND, RATHER THAN SPENDING ALL OUR TIME AND EFFORT BEFORE IT HAPPENS? SO I, I HAVE PRESENTED THE IDEA OF A PARTNERSHIP TO SAY IF IF A NONPROFIT WILL SHARE ITS RECORDS AND SHARE THE PLANS WITH THE CITY. AND CAN BE SUCCESSFUL, THEN IT SHOULD CONTRIBUTE FUNDS BACK TO THE CITY, HOPEFULLY TO GO INTO AN ENTERTAINMENT FUND, NOT TO GO TO INCREASE ANOTHER BUDGET WHICH ALREADY HAS THE MONEY IN IT FINANCIALLY TO BE SPENT. AND THAT'S WHAT I HEARD FROM OUR FINANCE OFFICER, WAS THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, IF IF THE BILL IS SENT, THEN THAT EXPENSE AND THAT GETS TRANSFERRED OVER TO OVER OVER TIME, IT'S A HUGE OVERTIME BILL. AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXPENSE AS IF WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE THE CITY'S MONEY AND EFFORTS. WHEN YOU HAVE A HUGE EXPENSE. WELL, I MEAN, I'M, I LISTEN FOR 25 MINUTES. I'M JUST SAYING YOU JUMPED ALL OVER AND I'M NOT KIND OF. YEAH, OKAY. WHERE YOU'RE GOING. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M. YEAH. SO WHERE I'M GOING IS RIGHT NOW THE NEXT EVENT IS SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE TO HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU TO DISCUSS THE PAYMENT FOR WHAT THEY OWE. AND IT'S BEEN YEARS THAT I'VE ASKED FOR US TO CONSIDER WHAT TO DO. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT THIS PARTICULAR CHASCO FIESTA TO HOLD BACK ON THE ENTERTAINMENT VALUE, BECAUSE WE FEEL THERE'S ALL OF THIS MONEY THAT'S OWED. AND CONSIDERING IT LOST MONEY FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. SO WHEN WE WANTED THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, WE FOUND A WAY TO DO IT. WHEN WE WENT TO CHASCO FIESTA, WE FIND A WAY TO DO IT. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR CITY BECOMING SO POPULAR THAT THE CITY IS NOW THE VENUE, NOT THE PARK, BECAUSE REALLY, LOOK AT THE CROWDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE RESTAURANTS AND IN THE PARK AND IN THE CITY AT LARGE. DROPPER, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN RAILROAD SQUARE OPENS, BUT WHEN WE TALK SPECIAL EVENTS, THERE'S GOING TO BE THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE OF THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO IT, BUT ONE WAY IS TO INCREASE THE BUDGET OF THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT SO THAT IT CAN AFFORD TO DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO, AND I'M WAITING AND PRAYING FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT TO THE COUNTY. THERE'S ONE OTHER THING, AND I'LL QUIT. I'LL JUST MAKE ONE SPEECH AND I'LL BE DONE UNTIL I RESPOND TO
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SOMEBODY ELSE. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THE COUNTY HAS, FROM OUR LAST MAP MEETING, WHEN WE HEARD FROM THE WHAT'S WHAT'S, HE CALLED HIMSELF THE CHIEF OF STAFF.CHIEF OF STAFF, TALKING ABOUT A NEW AD VALOREM NON-AD VALOREM TAX FOR POLICE, FOR SHERIFF, THOUGH NOT FOR CITY. AND SO RIGHT NOW, THE STATE FAIR, THE COUNTY FAIR IS GOING ON OVER IN DADE CITY. IT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS. IF THE SHERIFF WANTED TO AND DOES SUPPORT THAT EVENT AND GOES TO IT AND PROVIDES PATROL, YOU KNOW, IN THEORY THEY WOULD BE CHARGING THE CITY, WHICH IS ALREADY HAVING TO PAY ITS LAW OFFICERS. AND THEN I THINK THERE'S AN ANGLE THAT WE CAN GO ON TO RAISE THE MONEY WE NEED FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE AND DO POLICY. AND SO MY FRUSTRATION IS WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE WHAT WE'VE NEEDED TO DO. AND THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'RE FORCED TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON POLICY. SO TO ME, THE POLICY OUGHT TO BE LET'S. NOT CHARGE FOR THE CHASCO FIESTA, THE 4TH OF JULY, THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, OTHER THAN THOSE EXPENSES THAT ARE ON YOUR LIST THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL EXPENSES OF RUNNING THE I GUESS WHAT I CAN SAY, NOT CHARGING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THOSE EVENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE CITY EVENTS AND I DON'T SEE WHERE ANYONE HAS BEEN ANYTHING BUT THRILLED WHEN WE HAD A MILLION PEOPLE HERE FOR THE 4TH OF JULY. IT WAS GREAT. SO THE CITY PUT THAT ON. YOU HAD POLICE ALL OVER AS YOU NEEDED. THAT'S MY THAT'S MY ARGUMENT. I THINK WE SHOULD PUT MONEY INTO A RAINY DAY FUND SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE A VALUED EVENT, THAT WE HAVE A WAY TO OFFSET IT BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN SOME OF THAT MONEY FROM THOSE PROFITABLE YEARS GIVING IT BACK TO THE CITY. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL EVER BE PROFITABLE IF THE COST OF PUTTING ON THAT EVENT IS $100,000 OR $80,000, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO RAISE ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE TENTS, PORTA POTTIES. I DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT OF ANY SORT, RIGHT? BUT I DO WANT TO AT LEAST PRESENT THAT IT'S NOT THE ADMINISTRATION'S INTENT TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF A SALES PITCH. WE JUST REALLY WANT TO PRESENT AS MANY FACTS AS WE CAN ABOUT HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES DO APPROACH SIMILAR ISSUES, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE BEST INFORMED DECISION FOR THE CITY. AND WE THOUGHT THAT WE CRAFTED SOME OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO YOU, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO CHASCO AND THE OTHER THREE HISTORIC AND VALUABLE EVENTS, BECAUSE WE WERE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CO-SPONSORED BY THE CITY, AND THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY TO SHARE IN COSTS FOR POLICE SERVICES IN PARTICULAR, WHICH ARE A HIGH COST DRIVER FOR THESE SPECIAL EVENTS. IF IT'S THE WISHES OF THE COUNCIL, OF COURSE, THAT THEY WANT US TO ABSORB FULL COSTS, WE CARRY OUT WITHOUT ANY PREJUDICE YOUR WISHES. AND JUST, JUST JUST LET HER FINISH, PLEASE. WELL, AND IT'S IT'S ACCURATE AS YOU REPORT THAT I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A MEMBER OF CHASCO TO TELL THEM THEY HAVEN'T PAID THEIR BILL FROM LAST YEAR, AND THEY HAVEN'T PAID THEIR BILL BECAUSE THEY HAD QUESTIONS ON THE ON THEIR BILL, WHICH ARE LEGITIMATE. AND I NEEDED TO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM TO RESPOND TO THEIR QUESTIONS. AND BECAUSE I HAVE THAT FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO YOU, I FOLLOWED UP WITH THEM TO GET THEIR BILL PAID, THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO. AND I KNOW THAT ABSENT ME DOING SO, I'D BE QUESTIONED AND ACCUSED OF NOT FULFILLING MY FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. SO I'M GLAD THAT I DID. AND I'LL HOST THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM. IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO HOST THAT
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DISCUSSION, THEN TELL ME THAT AND WE'LL DO SOMETHING ELSE. WHATEVER YOU DIRECT ME TO DO.AND BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE NEGLIGENT IN MY DUTIES BY ANY MEANS. WILL WILL GO FORWARD WITH THE EVENT AND DETERMINE COLLECTIVELY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO RELATED TO THEIR OUTSTANDING FEES AND THEIR AND THEIR FEES TO BE ASSESSED FOR THE UPCOMING EVENT. AND WE CAN RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE RELATED TO WHAT INFORMATION WE'VE PRESENTED THIS EVENING.
WE'RE PREPARED TO DO SO AND WILL CARRY OUT YOUR ORDERS. BRIAN PETERS ITCHING. WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS WE'RE DEBATING WHAT I'M GOING TO GIVE HIM TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO DEBBIE AND THEN I'LL GIVE MY INFO. GO AHEAD. PETER. I MADE ONE SIMPLE COMMENT, WHICH IS THAT YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO MY REQUESTS, AND YOU RESPONDED BY THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND YOUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES TO THEM. SO OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE CITY HAS SAID, WE WANT TO DISCUSS, WE WANT TO TREAT THESE EVENTS SPECIAL. NOTHING THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED HAS SEPARATED OUT THE EVENTS THAT I MENTIONED FROM THE OTHER EVENTS, AND THAT'S MY ASK. SO I'M DONE. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU, KEVIN AND STAFF FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER, BECAUSE YOU AND I HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, AND I WAS EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY, BECAUSE ME BEING THE NEW GUY, NOT BEING HERE FOREVER, LIKE PETER, YOU KNOW, I SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGER WE GET, THE MORE PEOPLE WE GET HERE, THE MORE EVENTS WE HAVE, THE MORE THINGS COST. SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. OBVIOUSLY, LISTENING TO WHAT PETER'S GOT TO SAY, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR A WHILE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS TAKE TIME, YOU KNOW, BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S SAYING. AND I THINK IF WE WANT THESE GROUPS TO KEEP DOING THESE EVENTS, WE NEED TO HELP THEM. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR TAXPAYERS AND OUR CITY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN WE SHOULD. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT RATIONALIZATION AS WELL, BUT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH, I THINK, A LITTLE BIT BETTER PLAN OF HOW WE COME UP WITH THOSE COSTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I AM ON THE COMMITTEE. I KNOW THE NUMBERS, I SEE IT, I UNDERSTAND IT. YOU KNOW, KARL MALLORY PUT TOGETHER THE NEW YEAR'S EVE EVENT, YOU KNOW, BY HIS OWN FREE WILL, YOU KNOW, WITH GETTING SPONSORS. BUT THAT EVENT DREW SOME 15,000 PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SO TO ME, THESE EVENTS THAT DRAW THAT MANY PEOPLE TO OUR CITY, THAT BENEFITS OUR CITY. SO I THINK WITH THOSE EVENTS, WE NEED TO CONTRIBUTE MORE MONEY TO THOSE EVENTS SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER EVENT. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, AFTER NEW YEAR'S EVE, I WANT A FIREWORKS DISPLAY. YOU KNOW, I WANT SOMETHING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, HEY, COME TO NEW PORT RICHEY, THEY HAVE A KILLER NEW YEAR'S EVE EVENT. AND I THINK IT WAS GREAT. BUT I THINK WITH Y'ALL'S PARTICIPATION, IT COULD BE EVEN BETTER, YOU KNOW? SO I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE SOME BETTER IDEAS ON NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND PETER'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE POLICE COST, AND I UNDERSTAND THOSE ARE NECESSITIES. BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE A WAY WITHIN OUR BUDGET TO MAKE THOSE NUMBERS WORK, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT UNSAFE FOR ANYBODY AND WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPENING BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. YOU KNOW, ONE EVENT, THERE'S AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, COULD RUIN IT. YOU KNOW, THANK GOD, KNOCK ON WOOD. WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT ISSUE.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE POLICE FORCE FOR THAT. BUT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA ON MAKING THESE EVENTS SO THEY CAN AFFORD THE TALENT THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. I MEAN, I GREW UP HERE, YOU KNOW, CHASCO FIESTA I DID MY WHOLE LIFE, YOU KNOW. SO TO ME, WHEN THEY ASKED ME TO COME ON BOARD, I SAID, ABSOLUTELY, I WANT TO I WANT TO HELP YOU GUYS. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOREVER. THEY NEED SOME YOUNGER PEOPLE. SO, YOU KNOW, I CHOSE TO STEP UP. AND UNFORTUNATELY BY DOING THAT I HAD TO KICK PETER OFF. BUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAPPEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND ASIDE FROM FROM THOSE EVENTS, I WANT TO TRY TO MAKE IT FAIR. I KNOW IN OUR DISCUSSION WITH OUR MONEYS THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE FOR THIS YEAR, I WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON THAT REAL QUICK. I KNOW MATT WANTED TO EXCEED THAT BUDGET AMOUNT, AND I KNOW THE EVENTS WANT MORE THAN WHAT WE ALLOTTED, BUT I THINK WE KIND OF NEED TO WORK WITHIN THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THIS CURRENT AND THEN CHANGE IT GOING FORWARD. I LIKE WHAT KEVIN IS PRESENTING, WHERE
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WE'RE DOING THIS BEFORE THE EVENT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IT'S A DETRIMENT TO THESE EVENTS TO BE COMING UP WITH THE NUMBERS AFTER THE FACT. I MEAN, I'VE HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH TINA FARRELL AND BASICALLY WITHOUT HER KNOWING FROM THE BIKE FEST WHAT MONEY SHE'S GETTING. SHE CAN'T GIVE THESE NON-FOR-PROFITS THEIR MONEY BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S GETTING. SO I THINK AS A WHOLE, US, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN LET ALL THESE NON-FOR-PROFITS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING SO THEY CAN PAY THE BILLS. THEY NEED TO BE PAID. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO KIND OF TRY TO TO STEP BACK FROM THE LAST PART JUST BECAUSE I'M ON THE COMMITTEE, I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY, ANY GRAY AREA THERE. SO I'LL KIND OF STEP BACK ON THAT PART, YOU KNOW, LET YOU GUYS KIND OF PUSH THOSE NUMBERS. BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THESE BIGGER EVENTS, WE 100% NEED TO HAVE MORE CITY INVOLVEMENT BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS THESE NOT FOR PROFITS ARE BRINGING THESE CROWDS INTO OUR CITY. AND THEY'RE NOT JUST SPENDING MONEY AT THE BARS, THE RESTAURANTS, THE HOTELS. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING TO OUR CITY AND THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS A PLACE I WANT TO MOVE TO, YOU KNOW? SO TO ME, WE'RE ADVERTISING OURSELF. SO, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON BOARD AS MUCH AS WE CAN BE AS A CITY AND HELPING ALL THESE EVENTS OUT. MATT, YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? YES. YES, PLEASE. SO YEAH, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH WITH A LOT OF EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE IS, IS SAYING, I THINK FOR THIS YEAR WE NEED TO STICK WITH OUR BUDGET. WE ALREADY VOTED ON FOR THE FOR THE EVENTS, AND THAT WAY WE CAN SET IT UP FOR NEXT YEAR. AND WE CAN. I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR OUR TOP FOUR OR OUR CITY, YOU KNOW, EVENTS THAT WE'RE CLAIMING IS IS OURS TO TO LIKE PETER IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, VERY MINIMAL FEES OR NOT AT ALL. JUST TAKE IT ON AND DO IT AS A CITY WITH THESE GROUPS, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO BUDGET FOR IT NEXT YEAR TO DO THAT THIS YEAR. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE A LITTLE HARD TO DO THAT. WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, BUDGETED THIS MONEY. WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON IT. LET'S LEAVE IT ALONE. LET'S GET IT SET UP FOR NEXT YEAR. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. I MIGHT JUST. I THINK I THINK YOU ALMOST NEED TO COME WITH AN ACCOUNTANT FOR THE FEES, THE WAY YOU HAVE THEM SET UP NOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T COME WITH AN ACCOUNTANT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING TO COST YOU, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON ON THE FEES TO SOME DEGREE, GET THEM DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THEY HAVE THE IDEA IF YOU'VE GOT IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OVER 5000, IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A 99 DAY EVENT OR A THREE DAY EVENT OR EVEN NEW YEAR'S EVE, IT'S A ONE DAY EVENT. YOU HAVE SOME IDEA AND YOU KNOW THE SPACE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE. YOU KNOW, THE THE AMOUNT OF POLICE THAT ARE GOING TO BE BECAUSE OF HISTORY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE. AND SO YOU COULD FINE TUNE THESE NUMBERS DOWN, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ACCOUNTANT SITTING THERE AND FIGURE IT OUT. SO I THINK THE NUMBERS NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING THROUGH, BUT YOU'RE NICKEL DIAMOND A LITTLE BIT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BE YOU CAN SET A FEE AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. WELL, WHEN YOU SIT DOWN WITH THE PEOPLE AND YOU SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BRING THE TOILET PAPER, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CHARGE US FOR THE TOILET PAPER, YOU KNOW, THE ROLLS OF TOILET PAPER. I MEAN, JUST IT'S SOMETIMES A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW. SO, SO I THINK THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING DOWN A PATH. BUT I THINK YOU GUYS ARE FINE TUNING IT A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH. YOU CAN YOU CAN GROUP A LOT OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER AND GET IT TAKEN CARE OF, YOU KNOW, AND AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY THOUGHT NEW YEAR'S EVE WAS A CITY EVENT. THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT ONE GUY WENT OUT AND GOT SPONSORS AND DID THAT. AND YOU TALK ABOUT FOUR THAT ARE A CITY THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A CITY EVENT. YOU KNOW, WHETHER SOMEBODY ELSE OWNS THE BALL OR NOT OR WHETHER WE DO THE FIREWORKS, THE CITY DOESN'T, FIREWORKS. IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE A TEAM EFFORT HERE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE OF OF THIS PAST TWO YEARS. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE WAS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, APPROVING THINGS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS OF THE EVENT, PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO ADVERTISE IT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVE CHASCO FIESTA MONTH OF APRIL TO GET CATCH THEIR BREATH AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO WORK, YOU KNOW, MAY 1ST FOR THE NEXT YEAR. THEY SHOULD BE HAVING THAT SET MEETING IN MAY, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, COME READY TO GO AND LET'S GO. AND SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AS AN EXAMPLE, I'M JUST USING THOSE AS AN EXAMPLE. BUT YOU KNOW THE BIKE FEST YOU KNOW IT'S A THREE DAY EVENT. YOU'VE GOT DOCTORS, LAWYERS AND INDIAN CHIEFS THAT COME WITH A 10,000 TO $100,000 TOY OR 20,000 TO $100,000 TOY. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LOOK THEM AS BIKERS. I LOOK THEM AS, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT CASH IN THEIR POCKETS. AND WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PREPARE OURSELVES[00:50:03]
AND LET THEM WEAR THEIR BLUE JEANS AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEIR BLUE JEANS, SHIRTS AND JACKETS AND STUFF AND LET THEM COME BECAUSE THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY IN OUR TOWN. SO WE NEED TO GET SIT DOWN AND GET THESE NUMBERS STRAIGHTENED OUT RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO DO. YOU KNOW, THEY MAY EVEN SIT IN WANTING TO NEGOTIATE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS WITH US, SAYING, HEY, WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. OR WE WE GOT VOLUNTEERS THAT CAN DO THAT. YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL DONATE TOILET PAPER. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, JUST IT'S JUST IT'S JUST IT'S JUST WE'RE GETTING TOO NICKEL DIMED HERE A LITTLE BIT IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A STARTING OF AN IDEA. I THINK I'M GOING TO GO ALONG WITH MATT THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE THE BUDGET WE'VE ALREADY SET HERE RIGHT NOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, GO WITH THAT THIS YEAR. BUT YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO FOR THE BUDGET THIS YEAR IN MY OPINION. AS A FOLLOW UP, I HAVE TO SAY, BEING TOUGH ON THE MANAGEMENT FOR THEIR ROLE, I HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND BE TOUGH ON MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT SET THE PACE. THE FIRST THING THAT DEBBIE SAID WAS, YOU TELL US WHAT TO DO AND WE'LL DO IT. THEY GAVE US THEIR SHOT. I DON'T FAULT THEM FOR THAT, FOR WHAT THEY SAID. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR OPERATION THAT WE'RE IN CHARGE OF. AND SO TO SPEND A FEW HOURS WHEN I'M WAITING FOR A SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR RECREATION SERVICES, THAT COULD BRING US MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF WE PAID ATTENTION TO THE BIG PICTURE. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO TURN TO MY COLLEAGUES AND HAVE YOU ALL SAY, WELL, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A BUDGET. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT THIS YEAR WHEN WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE 2024 SEPTEMBER 30TH AUDIT SO WE CAN SEE WHERE WE REALLY ARE WHEN WE DON'T HAVE OURSELVES CURRENT, AND WHEN WE NEED AS A CITY TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE BIG BUSINESS.SO IT'S FINE TO TO ME TO BE DRAWN INTO THESE SMALL NUMBERS. I'M WITH THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN INSTEAD OF HAVING THE ANGST THAT GOES ON WITH THE EVENTS THAT ARE WORRYING ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL IT OFF THIS YEAR AND NOT KNOWING THE WEATHER. SO I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, IF IT'S AN EVENT WE KNOW WE WANT TO HAVE CHRISTMAS PARADE, 4TH OF JULY, CHASCO FIESTA YEAR'S EVE, NEW YEAR'S EVE, AND YOU CAN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION ABOUT THE BIKE FEST OR THE OTHER THINGS, BUT IT'S BECOME KIND OF A IT'S ALREADY BECOME A REGULAR DEAL. THE MINDSET HAS TO BE THIS IS A CITY EVENT, AND WE PUT IT ON THE SAME WAY WE PUT ON THE RECREATION THINGS. THIS IS WHAT WE DO, AND LOOK AT THESE ENTITIES AS SUPPORT. BECAUSE CAMI AUSTIN HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF THAT THING FOR SO MANY YEARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS SHE'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL GETTING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE LONG IN THE TOOTH.
THAT'S WHY I WAS HAPPY TO BE KICKED OFF BY BRIAN. BUT HE IS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE STRONGER THAN ME. BUT WHATEVER. BOTTOM LINE IS, WE NEED THE YOUNG PEOPLE TO TAKE OVER THIS TOWN AT SOME POINT. AND SO WE CAN'T MAKE IT TOO DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AND SPEND THEIR NIGHTS WORRYING OR CRYING OR WONDERING IF THEY CAN PULL IT OFF. THE THE VALUE FOR YOU. I'M SURE THE SAME IS FOR ME AND FOR YOU, KEVIN. WHEN YOU SEE THOSE CROWDS AND YOU ENJOY IT. AND WE HAD A LITTLE EVENT WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT HOW WE FELT ABOUT THINGS WITH THE BRAINSTORMS GROUP, AND IT GOES BACK TO FEELING LIKE YOU LOOK AROUND AND YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. LIKE IF YOU BUILT A BUILDING AND YOU LOOKED AT IT, WHEN YOU FINISH AN EVENT LIKE THAT ■AND YOU SEE ALL THE CROWD THE 4TH OF JULY, IT MAKES YOU WANT TO CRY. REALLY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO AND DO THINGS, AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL IN THEIR MEMORY. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT CHASCO FIESTA THAT ARE ADULTS, THAT HAVE CHILDREN, THAT TELL YOU ABOUT HOW THEY REMEMBER GOING TO DO THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER THING. OVER THE YEARS, YOU WORE A HEADBAND WITH A RIBBON IN IT. YEAH. OR GET THROWN IN THE JAIL WAY BACK IN THE DAY THAT RAN DOWN THE PARADE. THIS IS OUR CITY. THIS IS. AND THIS IS WHAT THIS GROUP OF CHASCO FIESTA HAS BEEN COMMITTED TO, WHETHER IT WAS THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR MANY YEARS AND THEN BROKE OFF TO ITS OWN SELF. I DON'T LIKE HAVING TO THINK THAT WE PUT THE CITY MANAGER IN A POSITION WHERE SHE HAS TO FEEL LIKE SHE HAS A FIDUCIARY DUTY TO THE REST OF THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE AS A GROUP ARE ALL IN ON. AND I DON'T LIKE TO BE RESISTANT, BUT WE HAVE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES AHEAD OF US.
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PLANNING, 25 MILLION FROM THE COUNTY FOR ECONOMIC REDEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE BIG DOLLARS THAT I KEEP TRYING TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNTY AND AND OTHER AGENCIES TO TRY TO SEE SO WE CAN HAVE A FIRST CLASS ATTRACTION IN TOWN THAT BRINGS PEOPLE IN REGULARLY AS WELL. AND I NEED THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY MANAGER, AND I'VE GOTTEN IT. SO LET ME JUST SAY, AFTER LETTING MY FRUSTRATIONS OUT, THAT SOMETIMES WE LOSE THE BIG THINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THEM DONE. TO YOUR POINT, THESE SMALLER THINGS ARE THEY'RE NOT BELOW US TO CONSIDER, BUT THERE ARE THINGS FOR YOU TO JUST COME HERE AND TELL US IN FIVE MINUTES. THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO. THIS IS THE COST OF THIS, AND WE CAN CHARGE THAT. TO ME, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE CHARGE THE BIG EVENTS AND DO WE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR OVERTIME COSTS OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE TO DETERMINE THE FAIRNESS OF THE EVENTS BEING CHARGED? WHILE WE HAVE ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL STRESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE CREATED BY THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, AND HOW DO WE COPE WITH THAT? AND I THINK THERE'S A WAY CHOPPER, I'M WORKING ON IT TO COME BACK AND TELL YOU SOMEDAY. I KNOW YOU'LL BE ANXIOUS TO HEAR FROM ME. I KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE CITY FROM YOU, AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 45 YEARS. OR SOME NUMBER, BRIAN. SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS WE KEEP EVOLVING HERE AND WE KEEP BUILDING MORE AND BRINGING MORE PEOPLE HERE IS AN EXCELLENT WORD. WE NEED TO KEEP EXPANDING OUR ENTERTAINMENT. AND WE'VE GOT THE OLD GULF HIGH SCHOOL COMING INTO PLAY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER VENUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO SUPPLY.I'M MY PERSONAL OPINION. RAILROAD SQUARE AND CAVALIER SQUARE. WHEN THOSE ARE DONE, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE FOCAL POINT OF THE CITY CURRENTLY. SO TO ME, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T CHEAPEN OURSELF. SO WE NEED TO NOT SAY LET'S NOT SPEND THIS MUCH BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TIGHT ON OUR BUDGET. I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE PUSH OUR BUDGET LIMIT A LITTLE BIT TO BRING THOSE EVENTS HERE. BECAUSE HONESTLY, IF WE DON'T DO IT, ANOTHER CITY WILL AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO THERE AND SIT HERE. AND THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE INVESTED IN OUR CITY. WE DON'T WANT TO LET THOSE PEOPLE DOWN. AND I KNOW IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME DEVELOPERS ON A BUNCH OF PROJECTS HERE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF GREAT THINGS COMING AND A LOT OF MONEY BEING SPENT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS A WHOLE, ALL OF US HERE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THIS CITY AS STRONG AS POSSIBLE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS WITH BRINGING PEOPLE HERE THAT. MATT WAKE UP. YES, YES. I'M HERE. I HAD TO FIX MY MUTE. SORRY. NO, I, I, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET THIS NAILED DOWN AND AND KNOW THE NUMBERS AND ACCOUNT FOR IT FOR NEXT YEAR. AND I THINK WE WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, OWN THESE THESE CITY EVENTS. THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR, YOU KNOW, 100 YEARS LIKE CHASCO.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. WHAT IT SETS US APART FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. YOU NEED SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SOMETHING SETS YOU APART. AND NEW PORT RICHEY HAS GOT IT IN SEVERAL WAYS, SEVERAL EVENTS. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO SUPPORT THAT. I, I GOT AHOLD OF JIM GUNDERSON WHEN HE FINISHED THE HACIENDA HOTEL, AND I SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO BE A CORNERSTONE IN THIS TOWN. AND HE SAID, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE CORNERSTONE. I WANT THE THEATER TO BE THE CORNERSTONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO THESE EVENTS ARE THE CORNERSTONE OF THE CITY, TOO, AS WELL AS AN ANCHOR OF THIS TOWN. AND IS THE IS THE BOAT RAMP. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL CORNERSTONES. BUT THE ANCHOR IN THE TOWN IS IS THE BOAT, THE BOAT RAMP. SO WE HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS AND LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S WE'VE GOT TO CHANGE OUR APPROACH, OUR FUTURE AND START LOOKING AT IT AS A, AS A FUTURE APPROACH INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WELL, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH CHASCO AGAIN SOME WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? SINCE 14, NO NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED, YOU KNOW, WAS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? YOU KNOW, SO JANUARY, YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED IN, YOU KNOW, SINCE, YOU KNOW, 14 JUST IN THIS TOWN. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IT'S AMAZING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S A CULTURE CENTER NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHERE PEOPLE GO. PEOPLE WANT TO GO, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU TEN YEARS AGO, YOU WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HEAR PEOPLE DOWNTOWN WHEN YOU SAW SOMEBODY DOWNTOWN. I'M GOING TO DUNEDIN. I'M GOING TO TARPON SPRINGS. I'M GOING TO SAFETY HARBOR, I'M GOING TO YBOR. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HEAR THAT ANYMORE. THEY'RE GOING TO NEW PORT RICHEY. SO WE WE HAVE
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TO ADJUST AND WE HAVE TO MOVE. I KEEP THINGS MOVING A LITTLE FASTER, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP UP WITH THIS AND BE PREPARED AND, AND BACK THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME TO US AND SAY, WE WANT HELP, YOU KNOW, HELP PUT THE ORGANIZATION ON BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, VERY FEW TOWNS HAVE AN EIGHT ACRE PARK WITHIN TWO BLOCKS, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL, YOU KNOW, OR TWO BLOCKS OF DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT WE JUST GOT TO, YOU KNOW, BE PREPARED FOR IT AND WORK ON IT. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AT THE NEXT MEETING, SO YOU'LL KNOW WHAT IT IS AND YOU CAN REACT TO IT. BUT THE MOTION I'D LIKE TO MAKE AT THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE TO TO FORGIVE THE BACK YEAR DEBT OF THE CHASCO INCLUDE THE INVOICING THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE CURRENT YEAR AND AND TO. THEN AFTER THE EVENT, LOOK AT THE OVERALL COST FOR THE WEEK FOR THE TIME FRAME TO UNDERSTAND THE PERCENTAGE OF EXTRA PAY OR THE PAY THAT GOES ON. SO ALMOST 35, I THINK, RIGHT IN THERE. WELL, I THINK IF YOU SAY THERE'S TWO YEARS, I'M SURE ONE. OKAY, SO SO WHATEVER THAT IS, LET'S LET THEM START FRESH THIS YEAR. ENCOURAGE THEM TO HAVE THE BEST YEAR THEY CAN. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS GROUP TO LOOK AT IT AFTERWARDS AND TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN START ESTABLISHING A AN EVENT FUND, BECAUSE WE USED TO PAY FOR RAINY DAY INSURANCE, AND THEN INSURANCE WAS COSTING $15,000. SO I'D RATHER HAVE THE CITY SELF-INSURE ITS OWN EVENTS IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE A FEE CHARGED OR SOME REVENUE MADE, SHARE THAT REVENUE WITH THE NON-PROFITS AND SHARE THE PROFITS, AND THEN ACCEPT THE LOSSES AND TAKE THE LOSSES DOWN AGAINST THE THE RAINY DAY FUND OR SOMETHING FOR OUR EVENTS. NOT FOR EVERYTHING, BUT THE ONES WE MENTIONED. THE CHRISTMAS PARADE DOESN'T WANT TO GET KILLED BECAUSE IT GOT RAINED OUT OR SNOWS THAT DAY. WELL, WE HAD A RAIN OUT OF WHEN I WAS AT JILLY'S. YEAH, BUT I JUST REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. I MEAN, YOU GAVE US NUMBERS FOR THESE FOUR EVENTS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE PERCENT OF WHAT? I CAN'T GIVE THAT TO YOU. I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S ANOTHER REASON I DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT. BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE PERCENTAGE WISE. WORK SESSION. SO YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE, BRIAN? NO. MATT. YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? NO. I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? NO. NOTHING FURTHER, MR. MAYOR. KEVIN. NO SPEAKING UP ABOUT PATEL. YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? THA